Ships & Modules

How many players fly with skirmish links compared to how many that don't?

You assume everyone and their grandma has links, but I believe most people do not. I am not saying nobody flies with links, but to assume that everyone flies with links is ignorant.

An Absolution with scorch has an optimal of 23 km with a falloff of 5km, I'd say its works well with T2 disruptor range of 24 km.

In lots of engagements the targets like to hug the gate, so they can deaggro and jump.

When you spawn on a wormhole you are about 5 k away from the wormhole.

Please answer on how tech 3 is so OP when you have been shot down by my count atleast 9 different people in your argument so far?

Sure they are, being the ONLY ships you lose your skillpoints for being killed in. Nerf them (or shall I say "specialize"?) and you will kill wormholes. Thank you for such a wonderfull idea! ALL HAIL NULLSEC DRAKE BLOBS!
BTW, just wondering, it takes CCP so much time to find a way to nerf a drake, and so little to nerf a counter-blobing tracking titans. Maybe CCP really wants it to be "blobs online" ?

It's going to be very difficult to fix T1 cruisers while boosting t1 BCs. It would be very easy for the BCs to have such an advantage in slots, drones, weapon numbers and fittings that we could just end up back in in the current situation of BCs effectively being super-cruisers, generally superior in DPS, range, tracking and tank and only marginally inferior in mobility.

You have got to be kidding ......

I fly Caldari
I trained Missiles

and even i recognise that the Tengu, when configured for 6x HML's, needs a serious beating with the nerf bat, it has completely and utterly destroyed any usefulness in the Cerberus and this is wrong.

exactly. Its not even t3s. its pretty much just the tengu.

I heard people crying about ruining wormholes by nerfing the tengu. You do realize that WH sites were supposed to be run in groups? With Logi support? The tengu can do everything in one ship. Eve is supposed to be rock-paper-scissors. Not rock-paper-scissors-tenguwins

The tengu singlehandedly puts a bad name on t3s, and for good reason, though the others need to be looked at too.

Also, training time and isk cost are never balancing factors in eve. They never have been. Its a noob's excuse trying to defend their OP ship.

I'm going to come back to this topic properly tomorrow, because there's something in my last post i'd like to build on (though it's likely to be yet another monologue ).

In the meantime though, i'd like to remind you: be careful using the word "obsoleted" as it assumes prior use or role. The Cerb never had the role or use the Tengu maintain (though maybe it should have) nore did the NH really (even if that is closer in concept) while the Raven hulls are way off (though i presume you're mostly referring to PvE in that regard - even there it's a stretch calling it obscurity as those hulls still profile there, and not only because of cost-effect).

So wether you talk use (torp changes, probing changes, damp changes, falcon changes and tiered slot allocation and bonuses [of BC to CS]) or role ("blap" scenarios with missile snipers, mobile true-sniping, tank-projection or range-counter) it's a bit of a shoehorning issue. The Tengu have never done any of that. If it slightly overlap some ships, the one that come to mind is the Drake, and in that regard i don't think you'll get most people to align with you and call that bad.

So in essence, the roles of the Ravens and the Cerb were already dwindled by the time Tengus profiled (Cerbs may still have seen certain use as Tengus were introduced, but not as prices came down and they profiled).

The odd sheep out is the NH, but it already had obscurity issues both with the Drake and with the lack of bonus-to-role power of the other CS (eliminate the Drake from the equation and the NH doesn't stand it's particular ground well enough compared to BS [ie., you wouldn't want to fight Baddons with them]; while the Minmatar platforms held their more unique ground - as is very well illustrated by the traditional use of the Claymore). Fon's old movies did alot to play with that relation and shift oppinion a fair bit (which is why they are generally so well regarded) but that doesn't make discourse inaccurate. Fon's movies just added some dimension to it and took off some extremities (similar to the Deimos ruffle).

It could probably be argued that even with BC-BS in mind, the NH isn't completely without potential in capable hands - but it's definately wrong to say that the Tengu took that away from it. Similar to a Deimos-Proteus argument.

Anyway, tomorrow evening i'll try to expand a bit on the "layering" perspective i sort of fleshed out in my last post. I'll try to tie that back i bit to this topic of Battlecruisers and new ships. I see i kind of already started when rounding off this .

And why do you think everyone here flies ST-tengee? That's crap for several reasons, thus we prefer to have dedicated logis.

The most fearsome is "100AB" variant, I think. Well, I like it. It is one of the very few things left in EVE that gives you the ability to fight overwhelming forces with your skill and to survive. And have 50+% ISK efficiency, if you are good with it.

And still it dies, and when it dies, it goes like 2-3 bil down the toilet.
I don't like the "2 will always beat 1" kind of game.

I never really understood this argument. The ability to fight overwhelming forces with your skill and survive would be exactly that.. your SKILL. Not your ship. And in particular in WH's, my experience has been limited, but other than the occasional normal space corp trying to invade, most WH residents use T3's and Recons. So it again does not work, as your T3 would be jumped by 'overwhelming forces' of T3's, which have the same speed firepower and tank as you (unless you can as I said above, manage to out skill all of them).

If you mean the Tengu is op'd enough to fight several t1's / t2's at the same time and survive, win, or flee, then you are correct. But that kind of reinforces the argument people are giving about it needing to be toned down.