EVE General Discussion

I wonder if people would still find ways of doing PvP AFK in that case.

I can relate somewhat to what the OP is getting at. I've been playing 6 years. The past few years I've racked up 5 accounts and have probably spent up to and extra $500 on plex alone, just for some extra spending isk on things that were horribly expensive and I didn't feel like grinding isk for it. I did that to temporarily relieve myself from the ISK grind. Since then I have relocated to NPC NULL and am having more fun there, than I have had in 6 years of playing. I've been so horribly addicted since I moved to NULl and have been playing much much more. Its a good feeling to have again. For this reason, I am so very thankful for CCP in putting the PLEX system in place. I'm just sorry I didn't take advantage of it before.

Now, I am nowhere near bitter. There are some things that CCP has done that I haven't exactly agreed with. I do think that my opinion should be valued, because I consider myself an investor (somewhat) at this point. And CCP has shown last year that they listen to their wallet. I don't feel entitled though. In that, I mean, that if CCP doesn't listen to my ideas and suggestions, it doesn't mean that I'll get all butthurt about it and leave. It just means that I also realize the importance of what they are currently focusing on.

The list of changes since last year is absolutely amazing. They have accomplished so much. These are things that the players have been screaming about for years. So, it was very well received when they set out to polish the game for a year before introducing more content. The content that they were going to introduce was shelved, well, not shelved but put on a slow burn. Ambulation was, and still can, be an introduction to a whole world of possibilities for more EVE content. But more content would mean more polishing needed later. CCP needed this year to play catch up on "1000 papercuts"

I am very happy with how the game looks and feels now. The UI I didn't like at first but got used to. Unified Inventory, same thing. The graphics and animations now are just plain awesome. There has been real progress toward making this game graphically relevant for the next generation of "standard" graphic capabilities. New laptops these days are soo much better than they were and many are adding decent chipsets now that will allow you to play eve in "pretty" mode at a decent $$ price.

CCP is nearing the end of their polishing phase. I'd give probably until the end of the year before they really turn their efforts toward more content. The last "content" expansion that I really got excited about and went running to go check out was Wormholes. The last one that made me excited about combat was Inferno's introduction of the new missile animations. So the games combat is more entertaining to watch now.

So, all in all, I can see your point of view in one way and I can disagree with you in another. This game is as fun as you make it. Console games are limited entertainment. Yes Skyrim is great, yes Assassin's Creed is fun, BF3 is f'n fantastic. FOR AN HOUR OR SO. EVE, I can play until I pass out at the keyboard. That's not something I get out of the other games. Those other games are just short term entertainment. Besides, you cannot compare MMO's to non MMO's.

I notice that every single person who somehow wants the game to change compares the game to some other game that either has nothing to do with EVE (ie themepark MMOs) or are so different form EVE that it's stupid to compare them (ie single player games, FPS games and such), Those of us who actually like EVE don't spend so much time thinking about other games.

It begs the question, why not bugger off (Jesus, I said Bugger off, to many damn Brits in this game) and play those kinds of games they actually like rather than coming here , spamming the forums in an attempt to get the game maker to radically change this game.

It just seems super crazy to me, when I don't like how a game is I just stop playing it.

9 years of Eve Online and the above were probably some of the weaker expansions. WHs were a lot better imo

Worst tweak ever were the superhighways between Empires in 03 and making lowsec gate guns unjammable

Not to put too fine a point on it, but after 4 years why are you still paying cash for your subscription...

EVE is what you make of it, as you well know. If you find you are having more fun following linear game play (that a games designer created to be spoon fed to you) than you are creating and sharing in the fun created by your fellow players... well then perhaps you have simply gotten to the point where you are a bit burned out on this game.

Time, perhaps, to play something else... at least for a while.

That is one of the most user friendly aspects of this game, the ability to step away if you need to and still have the character you developed over time waiting for you when you come back. Due to the way the skill system works, you don't even find yourself at a disadvantage vs other players after your sabatical.

Keep in mind all of those fixes you listed that aren't sweeping new area's of fun game play are simply CCP's way of responding to what their players are asking for. Fewer "Jesus" features, more improvements and bug fixes to the existing game play. Apparently most people aren't having any difficulty having fun with the current game features, they simply want them to work better and to have a bit more depth if possible.

It's like saying, go learn about life and society by isolating yourself on an island. You won't make progress and evolve if you don't learn from others. Your point of view is quite sad really. If people weren't "spamming" the forums with their opinion, feedback would be impossible. Grow up !

Thanks for the reply and i agree with you 100%, that's also why I like Eve. However, we can't deny the progress of the game development is very slow, that's why I compared the content from the expansions with Skyrim or GTA. GTA vs the 8 last expansions, who wins ? How come we get so little progress in content development and why it takes so long to simply tweak a freaking Titan ? Or why the annoying stuff have been lingering in this game for 6-7 years ?

Paying with plex requires a lot of mindless grinding and i'd rather play something fun instead. I'll give Eve another year. Still dunno why people think this post is about me quitting imminently the game... It only resumes my point of view on my 4 years playing the game. After all, stats says if you've been playing Eve for 3 years you're most likely a loyal customer. For that reason my feedback should be worth a little something !

A couple of points:

Paying with Plex does not necessarily entail grinding. I spend a little time here and there building and selling and that suffices with plenty left over to keep me in combat ships.

I (and a few others) weren't presuming you were going to quit right away. We were suggesting that perhaps it would be a good idea for you at this point in time, and not in a snarky way.

Personally, while I do indeed appreciate the game being better structured than in the past... less little nagging faults... I also like those "Jesus" features. Still, some of the mechanics have been reworked and fine tuned to the point where they almost seem like new features, so I certainly can't complain about being dissatisfied on that score.

My opinion on this might not be worth much though. I'm the type that actually derives a great deal of fun out of simple things like a new line of ships being released. I enjoy taking what is commonly considered the worst of the bunch and figuring out a fit that kicks the holy bejesus out of people. Yes, I usually find myself rooting for the underdog.

I won't disagree that CCP created content could stand improvement. I don't think they would argue that either. More intelligent NPC's, using completely random tactics and fleet compositions (even in the same site or mission) alone would completely revitalize the game. But no matter what they do, the most fun and engaging content will be created by the players.

Currently I have characters in Faction Warfare (although that has mostly turned into larger corps simply farming the system) and in Red vs. Blue (which is actually pretty fun). I doubt that CCP could ever make NPC game play as challenging and unpredictable as what the players provide, but it IS a worthy goal.

After 9 years this game still holds my attention (as it does yours) and wishing for it to continue to improve is not a bad thing. If I find myself burning out, I'll take a break. This might be your time to do so.

The point is to make a demand to have personal tastes catered to while couching such a demand in faux altruism.

Ah the "Nutter Comparison"

Were people constantly spew the fact that EvE is a PvP game and you sit there thinking "If that were true, I know so many better PvP games".

Most people spend there life with blinkers on and never discover there is more to the world than they believe.