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Radius Prime

Tax Evading Ass.

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#161 - 2012-08-26 11:32:21 UTC

Alfred Lim wrote:

1 thing thou, if Eve would be a US company, this will not just end here in the forum. Lucky them hey :)

You are from the US?!? My god, schools there must have gotten even worse.

And btw, in the US and most western economies CCP would be allowed to govern their intellectual property as they choose. Iceland is no different.

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 145
Cede Forster Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 145	#162 - 2012-08-26 15:07:19 UTC Akama Lowe wrote: Pretty sure Test is responsible for 95% of scams if they indeed would get the income of 95 % of all scams, they be the richest alliance around

Sane Industries Inc. 2,037
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc. Likes received: 2,037	#163 - 2012-08-26 16:57:16 UTC Tivookz wrote: Honestly.. I think they should remove the margin trading skill. Not because of this guy but because I'm sure that he's not the first nor the last person to get scammed by it. I bet the skill is mostly used by scammers, real traders don't need the benefits that skill provides. I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about. Nyan

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#164 - 2012-08-27 05:57:19 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

alittlebirdy wrote:

First I like how the ISD changes the TOPIC TITLE lol... what power do these idiots not have?

I agree the ISD's editing of the thread is a joke. "I have been SCAM" ?!?!?!?!

"EDIT: Changed your thread title since it has been explained to you that CCP has not scammed you at all - ISD Type40."

I would still put forth the original title is correct because the Margin Trading Scam err Skill is a broken game mechanic & CCP is aware of it & lets it continue. SEC would have shut down Eve's market years ago if they got the number of complaints GM's do about escow fraud.

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

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Sitreba Oonchevkii Likes received: 45	#165 - 2012-08-27 10:39:15 UTC \| Edited by: Sitreba Oonchevkii well that sucks, but... 10 HOURS A DAY!? You must be doing something wrong because i can make 300 mil in a matter of a few hours Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood.

Alayna Le'line

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#166 - 2012-08-27 11:53:19 UTC

Jax Bederen wrote:

Ok so now were getting the intellectually superior in their own minds types posting. The guy is new, he looks at the market as buy low sell high, problem is as for anyone new, he doesn't know all the skills, this is not a matter of intelligence but knowing some pretty obscure rules, so settle down geniuses.

Having said that, OP you are getting a bit paranoid there, claiming some of these "geniuses" are CCP, they are just trying to feel better about themselves based on you being new and Fing up. Also you are better off just taking your loss and not bitching about this. Take it as a lesson learned, most here have had at least one.

If more newbies wouldn't assume they know everything after their 30days in Rookie help and would bother to join the Help channel when they "graduate" from Rookie help and read the stuff that passes by a lot of these things could be avoided.

Some newbie corps have more people online at a time than there are in the Help channel. But I'm sure all those already know all there is to know and could learn nothing anymore from lurking in Help... (in case your sarcasmometer doesn't beep here, it's broken, get a new one)

Seriously, I've lurked in Help for months and read the (admittedly, often low quality) stuff that passes through when missioning or mining, hopping systems or just chilling with a scotch while docked and I"ve picked up a ton of stuff, a lot of which I might never need, but it's good to be aware that it exists anyway.

The other obvious (and likely: better) choice is to join a real corporation and learn the ropes there from the other members.

If you do neither of these things as newbie you're just setting yourself up to be burned sooner rather than later.

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Echo Belly Likes received: 18	#167 - 2012-08-29 07:42:16 UTC 1 Alfred Lim wrote: I am a 5 months old player and (...) Hello Alfred, I'm a space lawyer and i will help you recover your money tenfold. First I need you to mail me all what's left of your money so i can start the lawsuit. Then I'll take care of everything, you can trust me :)

Caldari Provisions Caldari State 522
Jace Errata Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 522	#168 - 2012-08-29 11:22:43 UTC Radius Prime wrote: Iceland is no different. Mostly because it is a western economy. OP, scamming happens every day. It's part of EVE. If you want to try to stop it, hunt down the scammers and shoot them. Otherwise get over it and scam someone back. tweeten One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you

Jonah Gravenstein

Machiavellian Space Bastards

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#169 - 2012-08-29 14:09:05 UTC

DarthNefarius wrote:

alittlebirdy wrote:

First I like how the ISD changes the TOPIC TITLE lol... what power do these idiots not have?

The Eve market is no different from real world markets, governments, banks and investment companies perform all sorts of underhanded stuff to get ahead, price fixing, price gouging, legalised extortion, ponzi schemes, anything goes in the pursuit of money, entities like the SEC and the FSA are there to give an air of regulation to a cesspit of dishonesty.

Margin trading is not broken, I'm sure 95% of the people with it trained use it in the manner that it was designed for, the other 5% use it to fleece greedy and or stupid people.

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#170 - 2012-08-29 15:22:35 UTC

Alfred Lim wrote:

You don't seems to understand I think. Yes I do know now that this is a Margin Scam, but the Margin scam uses the help of the Margin Skill to perform such scam. However, no true buyer would bother training that skill unless they want to false a buy order. Thus the Margin Skills should be know as Scam Skill instead. My point is that when CCP introduce this skill, they promote or assist scammer a new line of scamming. So they are responsible just like how I explain the robber and the police story, unless you didn't care to read it and just busy posting your insults.

Margin trading allows you to maintain buy orders while having liquid cash. Its great for traders, especially new ones who might not have the huge cash reserves long term traders buidl up. Without it you would need to constantly put up new orders as cash came in. Most businesses do the equivelent at some point. It is a perfectly legitimate trading skill and most stuff you sell is probably going to someone using it. As ever in eve the problem comes with policing its misuse. As far as i remember such orders were once filled and wallets went negative, but that was far to easily abused through alts so the orders automatically cancel. This leaves a scam possible but its an easy one to spot.

As everyone has pointed out you were scammed by buying something for much more than its worth, don't do that and you won't get scammed.

Epic Ganking Time CODE. 3,461
Gogela Epic Ganking Time CODE. Likes received: 3,461	#171 - 2012-08-29 16:09:55 UTC If there was one thread... of any thread... I could lock right now it would be this. Signatures should be used responsibly...