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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#81 - 2012-08-22 22:24:06 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Gogela wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Gogela wrote:

I think "stupidity" is a self-correcting problem.

It was until the invention of the warning label. Leave it to humans to muck up Darwinism.

Really? :P

I know someone who ironed a shirt while he was wearing it. Got some nice burns. Warning label wouldn't have helped... he was one of the dumbest people I've ever met.


So that's why it's written on the manual you cannot iron while wearing the clothes... I have always wondered why that totally ******** warning was there.

Yup. I was in the Marines doing uniform inspections on an Air Force group... I saw all these severe burns and asked him what happened. Apparently he was running late to my formation and hadn't ironed anything... so he improvised. I wish I was making it up. Totally blew my mind. I wanted to give him a point for sucking it up and showing up instead of going to medical... ended up docking him for a bad press.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Generals4
#82 - 2012-08-22 22:26:46 UTC
Gogela wrote:

Yup. I was in the Marines doing uniform inspections on an Air Force group... I saw all these severe burns and asked him what happened. Apparently he was running late to my formation and hadn't ironed anything... so he improvised. I wish I was making it up. Totally blew my mind. I wanted to give him a point for sucking it up and showing up instead of going to medical... ended up docking him for a bad press.


At this point i think we're all wishing you were making this up

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _

Jim Era
#83 - 2012-08-22 22:30:36 UTC
These men ladies and gentlemen, are allowed in on top-secret information, control bombings of "enemies" and work with some extremely expensive and technical equipment...

murcuh, **** yea

Wat™

MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#84 - 2012-08-22 22:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
Alfred Lim wrote:
I am a 5 months old player and I have seen many scam going on in Eve online. I have today been scam 300mil isk. To make that money, I had been playing 10 hrs a day for the last 3 weeks. I know many players can make more but as a new player, this is what i can only manage.

I saw a buy order in the market for an item 2,000 units for a minimum order of 2,000unit at 200kisk each. I purchase all the items in the market and when i select sell, the price still indicate 200k isk but when I confirm it, the buy order disappear. For that 1 transaction, I lost 300mil.

Indeed, I was con not only by the player but by CCP, because the player I purchase most item was not even online so the question is how he to cancel the buy order? But since the order disappear, make me believe that it was program to perform such by CCP themselves. I refuse to believe that any player would spent 24/7 and ever second to watch the screen and to cancel the buy order and log out at a 2 second interval. Moreover, the player which I purchase most of the item was not online, so question is how did he cancel his buy order offline? Unless it was programed.

Looking into the entire Eve, there is many scam going on that in any other games you will not see because all this loophole has been covered by the developer.

For example, we all know about PLEX scam that has been going on where you think you buy a Plex cheap in contract but you actually have to give back a plex and loss the 320mil (standard plex con rate). The question, why did CCP allow the same identical item to be allow to post as a Buy/Sell contract? Meaning, you can post that you selling an item in exchange you want the same item back. Not even in real life such system exist. Allowing minimum quantity up to a rediculess amount is another part of program that only CCP allowing it to take place. And many more scam.

Reason of me believing that CCP is the one scamming is that in such players will be force to buy more Plex or renew their account in real money. Why make us believe that we can actually make money mining/trading/manufacturing to buy a Plex where chances you get con at end of the day.

Many of my friends who actually get a Plex was totally into ratting not into to buying and selling ****.

Other than CCP is the real scammer behind all those player name, there is no other reason why CCP allow scam to take place, in the 1st place. They have the objective, the motive and the real benefit behind all those scam.

I though i was 100mil more to go to get a Plex in 2 days before my accounts expire but I was wrong, dead wrong. So no, I will not be able to buy a Plex.

Will I be paying in real money to renew my account? The question I ask myself is why? Why do I want to continue to play a game that instead of enjoying myself I get grief, I get con and scam only to feel unhappy, angry and a complete idiot. Yes I agree (no trolling require) I am a idiot to allow myself to pay real money and feel unhappy about it. This USD$14.95 I could get in a game when I can feel better achievement and pleasure.

For all those real players who are not CCP staff or part of their organization, I don't feel angry at you even if you are a scammer or griefer. It is CCP that I should be angry about. Just like in real life, when you have been rob and the police watch you being rob, instead of helping you, he tell you thats real life mechanic, so get over it. I would be extremely angry at the police more than the robber. For all you know, the robber has already team up with the police in the 1st place. Just like what CCP is telling you that this is game mechanic but they are the one who create this mechanic.

I am positive that CCP will not feel anything losing 1 player as myself nor would Eve stop it's cycle. But this is one of many reasons why it is hard for Eve to get new players. At the end of the day, it handful of people all with multiple alt surrounded by CCP scammer alt that would only exist in the game.

I wish the remaining players or those that would remain in the near future goodbye and thanks for showing me it is not worth playing Eve as long as you would cause it would be idiotic wouldn't it? Hence I have save alot of money and this money will be spent on game that is more worth my attention and where I could gain pleasure instead of any bad emotion.

1 thing thou, if Eve would be a US company, this will not just end here in the forum. Lucky them hey :)


10 hours a day for three weeks? - Check
Saw a great deal, too good to pass up. - Check
Doesn't understand game mechanics. -Check
Doesn't know that in real life many things, like car parts, require a core item return, making the contract complaint irrelevant. - Check
Jumps to the conspiracy soapbox because this could NEVER be their fault at all. - Check
Claims hardship due to failure to understand the game. -Check
Tries to rally emotion by not claiming anger at scammers to focus the rage at CCP. - Check
Threat to leave with self-empowering viewpoint. -Check

Now then. Margin trading is a useful tool for a trader that want to put up a bunch of stuff that will sell over time but does not have the money in their account to cover it all at once. However, as you have seen this can be abused. It is the duality of the system and yet another case where CCP's tools can be used for good or evil. Welcome to Eve.

The only reason I posted in this thread is because I'm laughing too hard to concentrate on mining.

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Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
#85 - 2012-08-22 23:02:31 UTC

Market PvP and you lost.
Gothikia
Wicked Cartel
#86 - 2012-08-22 23:04:58 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
I am a 5 months old player and I have seen many scam going on in Eve online. I have today been scam 300mil isk. To make that money, I had been playing 10 hrs a day for the last 3 weeks. I know many players can make more but as a new player, this is what i can only manage.

I saw a buy order in the market for an item 2,000 units for a minimum order of 2,000unit at 200kisk each. I purchase all the items in the market and when i select sell, the price still indicate 200k isk but when I confirm it, the buy order disappear. For that 1 transaction, I lost 300mil.

Indeed, I was con not only by the player but by CCP, because the player I purchase most item was not even online so the question is how he to cancel the buy order? But since the order disappear, make me believe that it was program to perform such by CCP themselves. I refuse to believe that any player would spent 24/7 and ever second to watch the screen and to cancel the buy order and log out at a 2 second interval. Moreover, the player which I purchase most of the item was not online, so question is how did he cancel his buy order offline? Unless it was programed.

Looking into the entire Eve, there is many scam going on that in any other games you will not see because all this loophole has been covered by the developer.

For example, we all know about PLEX scam that has been going on where you think you buy a Plex cheap in contract but you actually have to give back a plex and loss the 320mil (standard plex con rate). The question, why did CCP allow the same identical item to be allow to post as a Buy/Sell contract? Meaning, you can post that you selling an item in exchange you want the same item back. Not even in real life such system exist. Allowing minimum quantity up to a rediculess amount is another part of program that only CCP allowing it to take place. And many more scam.

Reason of me believing that CCP is the one scamming is that in such players will be force to buy more Plex or renew their account in real money. Why make us believe that we can actually make money mining/trading/manufacturing to buy a Plex where chances you get con at end of the day.

Many of my friends who actually get a Plex was totally into ratting not into to buying and selling ****.

Other than CCP is the real scammer behind all those player name, there is no other reason why CCP allow scam to take place, in the 1st place. They have the objective, the motive and the real benefit behind all those scam.

I though i was 100mil more to go to get a Plex in 2 days before my accounts expire but I was wrong, dead wrong. So no, I will not be able to buy a Plex.

Will I be paying in real money to renew my account? The question I ask myself is why? Why do I want to continue to play a game that instead of enjoying myself I get grief, I get con and scam only to feel unhappy, angry and a complete idiot. Yes I agree (no trolling require) I am a idiot to allow myself to pay real money and feel unhappy about it. This USD$14.95 I could get in a game when I can feel better achievement and pleasure.

For all those real players who are not CCP staff or part of their organization, I don't feel angry at you even if you are a scammer or griefer. It is CCP that I should be angry about. Just like in real life, when you have been rob and the police watch you being rob, instead of helping you, he tell you thats real life mechanic, so get over it. I would be extremely angry at the police more than the robber. For all you know, the robber has already team up with the police in the 1st place. Just like what CCP is telling you that this is game mechanic but they are the one who create this mechanic.

I am positive that CCP will not feel anything losing 1 player as myself nor would Eve stop it's cycle. But this is one of many reasons why it is hard for Eve to get new players. At the end of the day, it handful of people all with multiple alt surrounded by CCP scammer alt that would only exist in the game.

I wish the remaining players or those that would remain in the near future goodbye and thanks for showing me it is not worth playing Eve as long as you would cause it would be idiotic wouldn't it? Hence I have save alot of money and this money will be spent on game that is more worth my attention and where I could gain pleasure instead of any bad emotion.

1 thing thou, if Eve would be a US company, this will not just end here in the forum. Lucky them hey :)



I lol'd, seriously, I actually did. You tit.

<3 Gothie

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#87 - 2012-08-22 23:07:23 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
These men ladies and gentlemen, are allowed in on top-secret information, control bombings of "enemies" and work with some extremely expensive and technical equipment...

murcuh, **** yea

Oh... it gets better. It was at an intelligence training school. Lol

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#88 - 2012-08-22 23:13:50 UTC
Believe it or not, you will look back on this and laugh and relize its just part of the learning process. Pilots lose supers and even Titans in battles which cost 10's of billions and still move foward. nuff said.

......................................................

Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2012-08-22 23:30:29 UTC
Scamming is part of Eve, whether you like it or not. The potential to pull off big elaborate scams is one of its biggest selling points. The trick is to learn from your mistakes, or in this case your lack of knowledge of certain game mechanics. Contrary to the claims of some forum trolls, your intelligence is not in question here, though looking up a list of potential market scams could have saved you from falling for the margin trading scam.

Also it would be best to use common sense and a fair amount of distrust for your fellow capsuleer: if a deal seems to be too good to be true, it's best to look at it from all angles twice before committing yourself to it. You'll still get butthurt from time to time, but as long as your realize what happened you can take the necessary steps to avoid it from happening again.

- Reading up on recruitment scams saved me the loss of my meager amount of assets when a Test Alliance agent tried to have me move all my assets to nullsec.
- If I would have watched the map of lowsec for 'amount of ships destroyed in the last 30 mins' it would have saved me the loss of my Prorator. The unusual high amount was a dead giveaway that there would be a gatecamp in one of the systems.

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]

Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-08-22 23:33:14 UTC
Margin Trading, Best trading.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#91 - 2012-08-22 23:43:42 UTC
Xpaulusx wrote:
Believe it or not, you will look back on this and laugh and relize its just part of the learning process. Pilots lose supers and even Titans in battles which cost 10's of billions and still move foward. nuff said.

The famous "jumping instead of bridging".

Never before has clicking the wrong button resulted in such hilarious losses and subsequent broadcasts letting the whole coalition know about just who has done it this time.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-08-22 23:58:01 UTC
It's a common mistake, don't compare EVE with real life, this is the internet we are talking about here.
In EVE trust has to be earned, and even then you risk getting burned.
Did you know that trusting people in your own corp isn't entirely without risk?

Everything you do in EVE has a risk attached to it, you are currently inexperienced and got scammed.
You learned it the hard way. Crude, but effective.
Like CCP once said, HTFU (harden the **** up). Learn from it, and move on.

People will insult you for being stupid, laugh in your face for being angry and
troll you until you cry, then troll you some more.

Not because they are bad people in real life, but because this is how they like to play this game.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-08-23 00:33:33 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
Unfortunately, this Margin Scam is that scammer use the margin skills and other mechanics to scam us our isk. But all this mechanics has no real benefits to players other than player who intend to scam. So why the mechanics the 1st place? So that CCP could scam us without us pushing the blame to them and all to those players (who no1 is sure who it is? Could be CCP themselves) . Because if any real buyer, why would he place a buy order when he doesn't have the amount of money to pay in the 1st place, unless he has no intention of fulfilling the buy order. Thus the mechanic is for the sole purpose of scamming.



I use this all the time as a trader. 16bil in buy orders and only 8bil in the wallet is quite normal. Just like anything in real life, over-subscribing a resource allows you to make best use of a resources assuming you don't get a run on the bank and everyone caches in all at once.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2012-08-23 00:36:04 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Gogela wrote:

Yup. I was in the Marines doing uniform inspections on an Air Force group... I saw all these severe burns and asked him what happened. Apparently he was running late to my formation and hadn't ironed anything... so he improvised. I wish I was making it up. Totally blew my mind. I wanted to give him a point for sucking it up and showing up instead of going to medical... ended up docking him for a bad press.


At this point i think we're all wishing you were making this up


I dunno.. I was in the Marines and I can see a Marine doing that, but a chairborne ranger? One of Uncle Sam's Aerial Fairies (USAF)? P

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-08-23 01:21:25 UTC
Don't know if anyone asked yet...

Can I has stuff?...wait...damn...

James315 for CSM 8!

Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#96 - 2012-08-23 01:28:28 UTC
Quote:
I have been SCAM by CCP


And I NOT HAVE read your post.
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#97 - 2012-08-23 01:30:38 UTC
CCP game devs are reading this thread and giggling.

I have it on good authority (a guy I met at the pub who is related to the 2nd cousin of Hilmar's car mechanic) that Hilmar gets aroused by threads such as this.

If I was you I'd call your space lawyer.
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-08-23 01:42:50 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
Gogela wrote:

Yup. I was in the Marines doing uniform inspections on an Air Force group... I saw all these severe burns and asked him what happened. Apparently he was running late to my formation and hadn't ironed anything... so he improvised. I wish I was making it up. Totally blew my mind. I wanted to give him a point for sucking it up and showing up instead of going to medical... ended up docking him for a bad press.


At this point i think we're all wishing you were making this up


I dunno.. I was in the Marines and I can see a Marine doing that, but a chairborne ranger? One of Uncle Sam's Aerial Fairies (USAF)? P



Sad to say but this affliction is not just limited to the US military... I've seen Aussie soldiers attempt a similar feat, with similar results...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#99 - 2012-08-23 01:50:20 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
5 month old player and he's just learning now about the margin trading scam?

fuuuuu, what do corps do with/for their members these days? I knew the general mechanic by the end of my first month ... and I was still in a noobcorp then...


It was three years before I discovered that particular scam.

The difference between you and me is I learned on my first day never to go near Jita. That's the real lesson that needs to be taught to noobs.

Mr Epeen Cool
Recoil IV
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-08-23 01:51:47 UTC
this whole market scamming thing has to come to a end.please CCP,think of the children.