EVE New Citizens Q&A

I would also suggest opening your characters eyes a bit before jumping to conclusions as to what is possible for a new player in eve.

According to you what I have been doing since day 5 of playing should not have been possible, and I have killed a couple of Player Battleships (not RED Crosses) with t1 frigates and cruisers.

Speed tanking is a great way for a new player to avoid incoming damage. And hell... the only thing a frigate pilot has to fear from a Battleship is it's Drones.

People should really stop these kind of post when it is their own fault for their lack of ability that keeps them from progressing.

Greetings,

This is basically my first Eve Online toon. I'm under 2 months old and around 2.6 million SP. I might be new, but I think I can offer some advice to help you:


Its not that hard to make ISK in high sec. I can make a few million ISK in a few hours of play each day; and I've been told by most people I'm not that good at making ISK. I run missions (up to level 2) in a destroyer (pretty easy ship to get into) and I salvage every kill I can. I have 8 high slots: 2 of them are salvagers, 6 are railguns. Salvage is really where you can make some ISK. I just fill my industrial ship up with loot I don't want and my salvage. Every few days I make a run to Jita and just wholesale it out.

Next, while I haven't done a lot of PvP, its not based just on big expensive ships and a lot of skill points. I've seen a lot of little frigates wolf-pack down bigger ships on videos and on killboards. And I think you can get yourself a pretty good tier 1 frigate for PvP with t2 modules for only a few million... and it doesn't take THAT long to get the skills up to use said modules, maybe a month or 2 at worst. Until then, use the t1 and loot modules.


Welcome to Eve Online's market. It changes and adjusts based on supply and demand. use eve-central.com to watch for cheap prices for items you want to buy; although, be careful where it is. You might not have access to the station and/or it might be in null space.


Because honestly, us new players should not be flying Tengus. We have no CLUE how to operate them effectively due to the lack of PLAYER (not character) skill. Smaller ships offer a chance to learn how to play Eve small chunks at a time: how the various weapon systems differ, how ECM and ECCM works, etc.

Plus there is something to be said about the excitment of when you finally unlock a new toy to play with. I can't wait to start unlocking t2 frigates in the next week or so.

Now I have some advice for getting into corps. Look for ones that are looking to train new players: Eve University and Noir. Academy (if you are interested in merc work) are the two I've heard about that seem to have a lot of credibility; Enlightened Academy just started so I can't speak on them (not saying they aren't credible, just that I haven't heard a ton on them). They can teach you what you need to know. If you just want to PvP, join RvB; they are about quick fun PvP and there is nothing wrong with that. Look on the forums here or Eve U's job fare or the recruitment channel. I'd also advise you to do some research into any corp you are considering joining. Do the research to help you make a good choice, you don't want to jump for corp to corp to corp because Eve corps tend to frown on corp jumpers.

Now, if your heart is really set on one of those 10 million SP corps, I have a suggestion for you: join their public channel and try to get to know them. This helps you in two ways: one, you can judge if you will fit in with them. And two, if they happen to like you and see you as an intelligent/reasonable player, they might waive their SP requirement because you might be 'worth the risk'. However, DO NOT ASK THEM TO WAIVE THE SP REQUIREMENT. If they ask why you haven't applied, tell them you are not eligible, but you want to get to know them before you apply. They might offer to waive it if they like you. Go in with a good attitude and don't be pushy.

Good luck and fly safe. You can always talk to me in-game if you want some more advice from a newb. :D

Oh dear... that topic again.

You want to make ISK and blow ships? create an alt, skill up 12h and you can fit a thrasher that can gank shuttles, rookie ships and some frigates on autopilot.

There's opportunities in so many places outside null-sec for a new player with some guts, some brains, an attitude and a bit of imagination. You have to pick your targets since you don't have the same level of versatility, that doesn't mean you can't do ****.

EVE isn't just "the best corporations" and everyone else is trash, it's a MMO and because of that, as much of a game as a social platform. If you want to join a corp just because it's "one of the best", fine, go for it and be another brick in the wall.

Stop thinking EVE is only the hero-solo videos on youtube.
Stop thinking EVE is only GSF/PL/TEST.

Your EVE client is the same everyone else has, there's no "I win" button unlocking once you hit the 10mil SP mark.

EVE is what *you* make of it, so stop whinning that it takes time and efforts. Practice, learn and progress, you don't qualify for the Olympics the moment you get a subscription at the local swimming pool.

Yeah yeah, youtube vids, oh look, iteron solo'ing a megathron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6so9AT4UydQ

for the most part, very new players do not need a lot of isk. You don't need isk to buy expensive battleships when you can't fly them. But yes, it is hard for new players to make decent isk

Just in my limited experience (having played in the past, dropped out, and come back):

1. There's usually a better deal in the region.
2. I can always sell it myself. I generally go a bit under market price for a quick sale.
3. Reprocessing is often a reasonable alternative for getting rid of inventory junk.

You point out a lot of valid issues with Eve. On top of them is the issue that eve is an old game. The demographics are a little imbalanced.

Ships are finally being rebalanced from the bottom up.
The NPE is really coming along well. The new tutorial is quite impressive.

That said, while new characters CAN find combat roles, - not until 5 to 10 million SP of focused training, educated with an acute understanding of the game, which skills to choose, which ways to map or not map your attributes, ... can one really get into the meat of things.

Eve is harsh. Nonsensically so. In theory by design if you ask Wrangler, but one could attribute that to something else.

In any case, keep yourself focused to the basics, get yourself Evemon asap, and start shooting at people in a frigate before your clones cost *ten times* the cost of your frigate, and that's before any implants or hardwirings.

I could run a major fw complex solo on my own on day one if i knew how, so could you. The difference is that being so new, you don't know how. Your assumption that fleet warfare complexes require tank is false, however understandable. The best FW farmers do it in nano frigs that never fire a shot and hardly take a hit.

You could fit a frig for FW complexes on day one, even if it wouldnt stand up to the PvP element it will run the complexes for vast sums of LP.

Please stop spreading YOUR lies :)

Right! I loved the "figure it out yourself there's a lot of sh!t out there" approach of the early Eve experience. It's probably why I'm still around.

I don't know if you remember the song: Sunscreen (if not, youtube it. It has pretty good wisdom) Someone made a Eve parody of it and I think it applies here:

Ladies and Gentlemen now learning to live as capsuleers:

Wear a cloaking device.

If I could offer you only one tip for the future, cloakiness would be it. The long term benefits of cloaking devices have been proved by scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience.

I will dispense this advice now.

Enjoy the power and beauty of your frigate. Oh, never mind. You will not understand the power and beauty of your frigate until it's reprocessed. But trust me, in 2 years, you'll look back at screenshots of your frigate and recall in a way you can't grasp now how much possibility lay before you and how much fun your frigate really was.

Your frigate is not as useless as you imagine.

Don't worry about pirates. Or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to run a level four combat mission with an Impel. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind, the kind that appear at 4am the day after a patch, and leave the forums full of blood-stained tears.

Do one thing every day that scares you.

Sing (for your ransom).

Don't be reckless with other people's safety. Don't put up with people who are reckless with yours.

Explore.

Don't waste your time on mission-profitability whines. Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind. The game is long and, in the end, the competition is only with yourself.

Remember the help you receive. Forget the smacktalk. If you succeed in doing this, tell me how :)

Keep your old thankyou letters, throw away the ransom notes.

Train Astrometrics.

Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want to do in the game. The most interesting people I know didn't know on day 2 what they wanted to do with their careers in space. Some of the most interesting capital pilots I know still don't.

Learn your support skills. Keep your clone current, you'll miss it when it's gone.

Maybe you'll join a nullsec alliance, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll start a corporation, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll be stuck in the mission-running rut in four years time, maybe you'll be taking out titans with a Velator in your alliance's latest noob ship fleet. Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your choices are half chance - so are everybody else's.

Enjoy your frigate. Use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it or what other people think of it, it's the greatest instrument you'll ever own.

Run radar sites, even if you have nowhere to do it but a few hisec systems.

Read the EVElopedia guides, even if you don't follow them.

Do not read "sins of a solar spymaster", it will only make you feel boring and stupid.

Live in nullsec once, but leave before it makes you hard. Live in hisec once, but leave before it makes you soft. Travel.

Accept certain inalienable truths: scammers will scam. Alliance CEOs will rage-disband. You, too, will quit alliances and join new ones, and when you do, you'll fantasize that in the good old days alliances were stable, pilots were honest, CEOs were wise, and corpmates respected their leaders.

Respect your leaders.

Don't expect anyone else to support you. Build up a trust fund. Make some smart friends. You never know when money or friends will run out.

Don't mess too much with your training plan, or by the time you're four years old your plan will look point-5.

Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

But trust me on the cloaking device.

(A repost of an adaptation of The Sunscreen Song written in one of the many "what is there for a noob to do in EVE Online" threads on the old forums, adapted from "Advice, like youth, probably just wasted on the young")

Original post: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wear_a_Cloaking_Device