Assembly Hall

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I have played other MMO's and after the trial I base my decision to subscribe on if there more to do. With EvE it seems like the common response is "Do what you want, its a sandbox" or " There is no 'end-game' just train for what you need" after the first week.

This makes it confusing and disappointing for new players leaving them thinking that there is nothing really special about the game that they don't get to see in the first 2 weeks.

There needs to be some form of hook to get new players to at least try the game longer than the trial period.

PvE needs tweaks and additions, not a trash and redo.


Patches? Um, we have those. They are called rigs.


The mission AI: already a world better, but improvement in fluidness would be good.

New missions: Ya, they should have a couple a patch and improve less popular ones.

Multi-man missions: Yes. CCP wants those two. I do L4s solo and with friends. It is a great way to help young players earn ISK. It is a great way to help older players build standings. It is a bad way for me to earn ISK. Splitting loot is a pain. Time is not cut in half, so ISK/hr suffers. I'm fine with that for a younger player, but I should be able to earn more with an older one. L4s were designed to require two people, but it has not worked out that way.

Challenge missions could be interesting. More pay out for faster kills or working out of order (ever blitz Save the Damsel?). A protection mission, where payout is based on how many ships you save, would be cool. I would like to see missions have different challenges in them. Say, they want someone alive, the toughest bounty, and you have to leave him/her/it; plus save other ships, which it targets. That would enter logistics and ECM into missions. Heck, a keep-alive mission where you are pure logistics would be change, and you could go against factions w/o penalty.


Mining: needs an overhaul. AFK should not be encouraged; active mining should yield better results.

Group mining has always been better than solo mining IMHO. It is even better with the Orca. Even without the Orca and only two ppl you are better off. Snag the basic Leadership skill, have someone always mine, someone haul p/t, and you are both ahead.

I would just like to see a pile of new missions, nothing spectacular just another lot. I normally only do missions for about 1 week out of a year.

And even then they are still boring the year later just doing the same missions over and over and over again.

Pretty much does now. If you want money mine ore if you want afk income get a mack and mine ice.

exactly!

Yeah exactly what i had in mind.

EVE avarage playerbase age is around 28. It means that most of the players have a work and family so dont got much time to play. Most of EVE is based in in highsec and most of em are miners. U dont need to be smart to understand that if u remove AFK mining New Eden d become chaotic. Less players and veeeeerrryyy expensive ships and modules.

Even players that PvP have few miner alts (i am one of them). My only way to play this game is to afk mine while i am on my roams having fun. And with these new cargos which allow cycles of 45mins the game became so much much better for me. Loooots of players think the same. I am not earning insane amounts of isk, its just enough for a plex and some extra for my pvp ships. And still i am paying 1 acc with cash.

But i am of the mind that active mining should yield more ore than it does now, practicing some different mining mechanics. And also AFK miners are lot easier to gank. If there is no AFK miners there is no gankers too.

So i dont see anything bad with it.

As first i never mentioned about more mechanics to enhance AFK mining. I said AFk mining should be left as its now and add some new mechanics for active mining which will yield lots more isk than the AFK version.

Yeah absolutely in high sec should be low end moons, but still it will be a nice change for miners.

Why PvE should retain new players? Because every single new player comes from WoW, SWOTRO, GW, RIFT where PvE are main features. They just dont know how to pass from tutorial to the sandbox theme as EVE is. After the tutorials they start doin missions, exploration, mining which as activities suck a lot. If those activities were a bit more interesting ppl would stick eve after the trial ends.

Yeah most of EVE players stick to this game because of the ingame competition, yeah some 400k of us. But huge numbers (millions) dont because the PvE said they are used too just sucks. And lets be fair those PvE activities would rejuvenate even the bitter vets.

Ahm u PvP because of ppl doin PvE.

- Ships (mining)
- Modules (moongoo, PI, mining)
- Rigs (missions, salvaging)
- ammo (mining)
- T3 (sleepers farming)
- Implants (Missions)
- Drugs (Gas farming)

90% of ppl are financing PvP and accounts with PvE.
Lots of ppl like to play more solo than in groups. PvE allows that.

Atm PvE is not exciting, thats why new players are not into it, only hardcore players stay and do the masohistic PvE side of the game.

And after all:
More PvE > More ppl around the space > More targets

This needs saying more. Even if the number of players doubled and all the new peeps were PVEbears, it would improve the game - for PVPers.

OTOH. Lets get rid of mining, and then the last person with a ship is the winner.....