EVE General Discussion

It would seem overpowered to be able to warp disrupt 4+ ships at 50+km or in a single ship right?

Well how about the damn Arazu being able to almost completely warp disrupt 4+ ships from a fight whatsoever (notwithstanding smartbombs or drones that wont be in range for a long time.

I am still amazed that this bullshit is allowed to go on.

Arazu is so ubiquitous it's a joke. CCP really should do something about this pathetic fixed bonus (lol) mechanic.

In before all the clueless that can't handle risk come in understanding mechanics. "I can't risk having someone actually beeing able to warp disrupt me when im out of range in PVP"

Fly Faction or Pirate ships, they have superior sensor strength to their T1 counter parts, there, just my 2 cents.

Falcons with 1600mm plates STILL get instapopped by looking it in a meaningful way, by the way. Also, a Falcon can bother a few ships, or can lock down a single ship (if it has the right ECM modules fit), but it cannot, at all, get four ships out of an engagement.

I actually collect Falcon whines in a special folder in my computer, which I lovingly extract from Local logs after they happen.

It's ****ing hillarious and provides so much tears and trolling potential. I wish I could fly one myself.

People also whine quite a lot when Rapiers pin their 100AB Tengus, and when an Arazu puts a disruptor on them at 107Km. People would cry about ANYTHING. But nothing ever beats a Falcon for sheer tear collecting power.

And still, very rarely you see ECCM modules, or people devoting a fleet spot to bring their own Falcon. Instead, people secretely LOVE Falcons because in their little minds, it's the perfect explanation for EVERYTHING. "I lost because of Falcon, clearly". It's always:

-You are [slang for "fecal matter"] without your Falcons.
-I devote to fights even if I lose, you are all [slang for "homosexuals"]
-Without your Falcons you'd get zero kills, you [slang for "female genitalia"]
-You suck at PvP because you brought Falcons.

Here are some real examples of the marvellous "because of Falcon" syndrome:

[ 2012.05.30 21:24:10 ] caloon > id fight all you ******* if you didnt jam me. and i'd kill you all.
[ 2012.05.15 21:10:31 ] BoomEZ > you guys should just all use falcons and not even shoot at people
[ 2012.05.07 21:22:05 ] Tukuarikan > i remember u ganked someone with a thousand falcons once
[ 2012.08.15 23:33:14 ] PreZiDenT1 > All i know is your overuse of falcons. Thats the reference point i got.

I've got a few from people that brought their own Falcon, two kiting Talos with ECM drones and an offgrid boosting Loki...and still complained about our Falcon. And then complained about the Rapier, and then complained when more pilots showed up to kill them, and then they complained about being scanned and jumped on (I'm serious).

Basically, people expects you to jump at their optimal, stop your ship and let them take potshots at you. They call this approach "I'm in this for the goodfights".

People get pissed off when they lose ships. They always have excuses and try to rationalize it, and unless they lose 1vs1 against a worse ship, they always look for reasons outside their own sloppiness: it's because the ships you brought, or the ships you "abuse", or the bubbles you placed, or how boring is to camp a gate, get a life, etc.

That's false, practice shows that an overtanked (plated) Falcon can easily miss a jam cycle on Machariel, get pointed and shooted at and yet still get out alive or go on jamming next cycle.

No. Highly situational. Depends on many factors, distances,fittings. It MIGHT survive a Machariel volley...or it might NOT. It MIGHT land a jam, or it might not.

I´ve seen Falcons dying to a couple frigates. Or one-shot by arty Tempests. Or missing three jams in a row into T1 cruisers. **** happens.

Whatever the fitting, a Falcon is paper thin. And whoever says jams don´t miss quite frequently has absolutely NO clue.

Unfunny, poor English and pretentious:;*

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*Ironic

That's some Unprovoked Aggression right there man. I like the fact that you called me pretentious while leaving an out of context one liner you probably took from a movie critic review headline.

Now let's get back to people who have never PvP'd outside of High Security space telling us to fit Smartbombs on Cruisers to counter Falcons. Only gonna take 12 minutes to kill it!

Well here's the thing. They may well work in missions. This is not a discussion about PVE.
There are not many PVP ships which can even use F.O.F missiles and be effective at driving off a Falcon/Rook. You need enough damage to get it off the field in about 30 seconds or less, which is still a massive waste of your DPS. What PvP ships ingame are viable to do this.

Lets See: Drake, Tengu, Nighthawk..
Thats about it...

Friend or Foe Missiles also only go for the closest target, and unless the ECM pilot is a bad pilot then it should never be the closest ship. Not to mention that the above ships are on the slower side of things.

Smartbombs are also not an effective real-world counter. Again, unless you're fighting a ******** ECM pilot they are not going to be <5km from you. Smartbombs are also very weak in terms of DPS, especially below Large size. If you had 2x large smartbomb on your ship, which would be a huge sacrifice for any ship, and you are against a brain-damaged ECM pilot who decides to sit 0km from a BS, then it will still take you about 15 cycles of those two smartbombs to get the Falcon/Rook to a point where he needs to leave the field. Thats what? Just under 2 minutes up to 3 minutes depending on the skill. Rubbish.

Damps are ineffective (at least on non-bonused/dedicated ships) A falcon has a lock range of 149km. To get it down to a point where your disrupting the average Falcon/Rook pilot you need to use 2-3 of them. It's a complete waste you're better off fitting ECCM.

There are only 2 Practical counters
ECCM and ECM

ECCM is not an option for many small-scale/solo ships and gangs. You're essentially pre-gimping all your ships in the event you run into ECM. Which means you'll lose a fight against an equal numbered gang without ECCM.
ECM just causes more problems. Many people will simply avoid ECM at all costs, cutting down on people who want to fight you.

The third option of course, is to not engage people with ECM unless you have the numbers to do so. Which more often or not, leads to lack of fights taking place and people just choosing to leave.

A Falcon has become so overpowered that my small gangs now bring an alt in a Falcon just to jam other Falcon's. That's not something that should have to be done. And to you guys saying fit ECCM, you try fitting it first than come back and tell us to fit it when we're doing small gang PVP.

Also nerf ECM drones while you're at it. My BS should not be getting nearly perma-jammed by EC-300's. And no, I am not fitting a smart bomb, and an ECCM for two ******* things in the game out of all the other things. That makes absolutely no sense. We shouldn't have to fit a module on our ship to counter ONE other ship (Rook and Scorp barely count since no one pilots those).

Nice pun dude, that's some really clever stuff right there;I bet you're a real hit at your Carrot Top appreciation group.

How is that comment anymore out of context that your own?

Wow, you're just full of insight aren't you?


Any back on topic, there's atleast four practical counters, providing you're not doing solo pvp, in that case deal with it.

ECM

ECCM... Kinda

Fielding over 5 high dps ships capable of holding and killing the ECM platform.

Fielding 3-5 ships of the same race and dropping on the ECM platform before they have intel on you.