EVE General Discussion

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No... you don't. At most... it will take 2 or 3 months to get your "core skills" up to a good level. And even then you can still DO things. Not very well mind you... but that's an intended part of the learning process. "Crawl before you walk... walk before you run."

Moreover, you'll find that much of the game centers around logistics and intelligence... which are things that can only be gained by actually playing the game for better or worse.
For example: Where is my base located in relation to my enemy's base? Where is the nearest trade hub in relation to both? What does my enemy usually fly and how is it usually fit? What is the counter to such a fit? Does this guy have friends? etc.


Let me be the first to tell you: take everything you learned from previous MMOs and toss it. It will only serve to hinder you here.

High-security space is just what the name implies; "higher" security. Not "absolute" security. And trust me when I say this... if you think high-sec is "bad"... wait til you venture out into low and null-sec. You won't even get the courtesy of a 24 hour warning.

Beyond that...
- what are you doing to warrant a war dec? Are you smacking people in local? Is one of your corpmates smacking people in local?
- Have you tried talking to the enemy to see what they want?
- Have you considering putting the wardec up on contracts for some other PvP group to pick up?
- Where is your corp's leadership in all this?


Ditch your barge. You are at war. Grab an itty bitty frigate fitted with nano-fiber internal structures, a MWD, a warp scrambler, and a web... gather up a bunch of your corpmates in gank-fit destroyers... and bum rush them.
If successful, you'll find that wardec disappear REAL quick.


EVE isn't supposed to be an easy game. That's part of its allure. There are too many easy games out there now that hold your hand and protect you when the going gets tough.

In EVE, you lose everything if you screw up. And that's FUN for many of us here. Sadly... not so much for your average MMO player.
EVE isn't for everyone.


Pro-tip: attach yourself to some veteran players. They can teach you more about the game in a shorter period of time than any guide can.

If the vets have an SP requirement... ignore it. It's to scare off people. Talk to someone in private and show them that you have the right mentality and large gonads. They'll bring you into their fold in a heartbeat.

Your post leaves me speechless, OP, and the reason is that you've already been playing for 2 months and you still haven't realized what EVE is. Other players call it a "PVP" game, but personally I prefer to call it a game based on player interaction. Obviously, blowing others up is the most obvious interaction between players you can have, but there's hundreds of more ways to interact with other players.

The game is an organic, ever changing sandbox experience. What you seem to want is a game where you can just log in for an hour, casually kill a few mobs or mine without being able to be interrupted and then call it a day. In that case, sandbox MMOs are not for you. There's plenty of MMOs out there that cater to this specific playstyle you're looking for, but EVE is not that kind of game, nor should it turn into one.

Now, with that being said, EVE does try to cater to that playstyle too, although in a limited fashion. You can always join an NPC corp (like the one I am in, The Scope) and be a nice little carebear mission runner or miner without the fear of getting WarDec'd.

Most importantly, you DON'T need to train 6 months to be able to play the game, so that comes off as a mindless rant more than anything. Sure, there are some corps require high SP, but in that case, those corps are not for you in the first place. And who says you need to be a member of such a corp to have fun? There are plenty of other decent corps you can be a member of and enjoy the game. I'm sorry that your current corp is "Sitting Duck Inc.", but sometimes it is best to just let go. If you're not having fun with them, move on and quit the corporation, right now. Remember it's a game, no harsh feelings, the corp is supposed to make the game more fun, not let you down when you most need them.

OP, if you can't find a place in the galaxy, you are not looking. In my 2nd week of playing the game, I joined one of the best small gang pvp corps/alliances out there and moved out to 0.0 where I was immediatly put to use. Granted it was a limited use, lol, but still a use. Now 7 months later, they can find multiple uses for me

Pro tip: if you don't like war decs, don't be part of an alliance that has the word "miners" in its name.

Okay let's first make one thing clear. Everyone has been a newbie once and unless the players started when EVE was launched there was a time where they were simply outmatched by bad people.

The question you need to ask yourself first is what you want to do?

Is it missions?
Is it mining?
Is it PVP?
etc...

Than what you need to do is focus your training on that. Don't go start training mining barges if you want to mission. The more you specialize the faster you will become a "pro" at whatever it is you want to do.

Secondly, if you don't want to be wardecced don't get into an alliance. NPC corps can't be wardecced and your only danger than is suicide gankers.

To the OP:

I was in the same spot you're in right now, except that it took me months instead of weeks to see my error. You were smart enough to ask the question, so be smart enough to listen to what the people on this thread are telling you.

I was so obsessed with my pitiful pool of skill points that I paid Isk for a character just to "get ahead of the curve." After a while, I realized that I had deprived myself of many, many opportunities to actually learn the game. Being poor, and having tight limitations on what you can fit, etc., forces you to learn how to overcome those limitations. Those lessons, I suspect, will make you a better pilot over time, and the benefits of what you learn now won't diminish as your skill points increase.

And that's what Eve (and every other competitive game) is about: progressing as a player, not "progressing your character." Obsessing over skill points -- and what you can't do now -- will blind you to all the fun you could be having.

Right now.

Sorry to tell you, but you picked a loser of a corporation. Just because some player is a CEO of a corporation doesn't mean they're competent to do so. A corporation that cannot defend itself in a time of war has failed the test.

Oh wow, it's an entire alliance that's running away from a wardec? That's.... shameful. I can sort of understand a small lonely corporation evading a wardec, but an entire alliance? You really did pick a loser.

I bolded and underlined one of the important aspects of your statement. That "strong sense of community" is also the same community that wardec'ed your alliance. This is the nature of EvE. The strong bully the weak. The clever outwit the stupid. The wagging silver tongue convinces others to do your bidding.

The second bolded and underlined part of your statement is important to look at. You claim there is no place to practice the game mechanics you need to be successful. I call bullsh*t. To be successful you need to be prepared for PvP. A fight will always be there for you, whether it be on your terms or your enemies. Your problem came about because your alliance failed to prepare for PvP situations if and when they arise. Again, you picked a loser of an alliance.

This isn't World of Warcraft where PvE and PvP are two entirely different and separate entities. Where one can be ignored in favor of the other.

No, this is EvE. PvE and PvP are paired hand in hand and are inseparable.

I think you just came here to *****.. I decided to do my research before saying that they are pussys that run and hide. Look at the killboard and you will see they have fought back successfully. I would recommend that you stick in there and wait it out, it may not be fun but they will bugger of after a while.

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You are now ready for PVP.

Yes. But only those who can understand that EVE is not WoW or other danger-free MMO experiences.

If you as a player are strong and smart enough to understand how EVE works, the effort is rewarded.

If you are not, then EVE is probably not the right gaming environment for you.



Yes, many places. High-Sec NPC Corps. High-Sec Allainces. Low-Sec Alliances. Null-Sec Alliances.

All are available in some form or another to a player on Day 1, if the player does some effort to peruse his options.

But no, the game will not give you someplace safe and warm and cozy to be if you are new.



Everywhere, if you care to look.



Yes, real new players. Now is the best time in EVE History to be new. Starting new has never been easier or simpler.



It sounds like you DO want to play a Space Ship game with nice graphics.

However, it does not sound like you want to play EVE.

EVE is hard, and required a player put in effort to create or find his own entertainment in the verse. It requires patience, to work through the newbie time we all went through. And it requires understanding that loss is an intrinsic part of the EVE experience. If you cannot die and keep playing, EVE isn't for you. If you cannot figure out that NPC Corps are WarDec free, EVE is notthe right game for you. If you cannot so much as look at the various recruitment channels and forums, to find a corp you might want to try out or that fits yoru game style, the EVE isn't for you. And if you expect to have anything in EVE simply handed to you, then EVE is definietely not the right game for you.

The real question, sadly unasked, is what kind of gamer are YOU?

Are you the kind that needs your hand held all the way through, and whose only goal is to kill the next tier of preprogrammed NPC shiny for his purps?

Or are you the kind of gamer who will grasp EVE by the testicals, mold it into what you wish it to be, find like-minded player which wihich to pool resources and efforts, and claim a section of space for yourselfs, high, low or null, and tell all comers that if they want your clice of space, they're going to have to rip if from your cold dead corpse, over, and over, and over again, and even then, you will not give in, not surrender, but fight on, play on?

What EVE is is up to us.

If thats right for random noob #491,826,912 is up to him/her.