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Anslo
Scope Works
#101 - 2012-08-22 17:29:58 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
Anslo wrote:
The more you talk the more I regret backing you up....
That's fine by me, I lost any semblance of respect for this "summit" pages ago. As far as I'm concerned the bulk of you deserve each other and only serve to reinforce for me why I choose a stance of neutrality.


Then why are you here?

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Dos Naari
Doomheim
#102 - 2012-08-22 17:34:04 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Dos Naari wrote:
Anslo wrote:
The more you talk the more I regret backing you up....
That's fine by me, I lost any semblance of respect for this "summit" pages ago. As far as I'm concerned the bulk of you deserve each other and only serve to reinforce for me why I choose a stance of neutrality.


Then why are you here?

Because it's still burning my warpcore a bit that I came to this "summit" expecting to see words from bold thinkers and kindred spirits, and instead I find a lot of pseudo intellectual slaver dung boot kissing and back patting the very entities that would sell them as livestock.
Dos Naari
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-08-22 17:38:39 UTC
And as far as this "the Amarrians haven't enslaved the Caldari so why do you care" vibe I see is concerned, just because the Amarrians haven't doesn't mean they wouldn't given half a chance, and it disturbs that I seem to be the only one who gets that.
Anslo
Scope Works
#104 - 2012-08-22 17:45:19 UTC
Wow, you're more extreme than me.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Dos Naari
Doomheim
#105 - 2012-08-22 17:50:59 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Wow, you're more extreme than me.

Maybe you're just not eXtreme enough with these boot kissers. Lol
Anslo
Scope Works
#106 - 2012-08-22 17:57:13 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Wow, you're more extreme than me.

Maybe you're just not eXtreme enough with these boot kissers. Lol


Why care though? They can do what they want to do. Freedom of choice. I get your criticisms but now this is just blatant slander with just about...no back up. I mean do you have archives of your travels where you make your accusations? Proof? Cause these are super blatant things you're saying man, and coming from me, that's saying something.

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Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-08-22 18:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Azdan Amith
Dos Naari wrote:
If it is considered a bretrayal to call an individual on misplaced humility when dealing with RELIGIOUS SLAVER SCUM, then may you live in interesting times pandering to your imperial overlords, because make no mistake, for all their talk of truth their idea of salvation is packing you and the ones you love aboard a Bestower to be shipped off to Domain to be sold as livestock for a handful of isk.


You have your information incorrect again. Slaves are not treated like livestock by the Empire despite what you may believe, nor are they sold and traded for pitiful sums. In fact, slaves rarely change hands in the Empire. You might be confusing us with the Angel Cartel or even the Blood Raiders.

Dos Naari wrote:
Nope, I refuse to fight for a hypocritical Federation or a liberation force that has members who insult someone for speaking blunty about the actions of slaver scum and those who pander to them.


I seem to recall you mentioning the sanctimonious, self-righteous airs of this conversation and attributing arrogance and pretentiousness to "Amarrian religious zealots" (a description you've applied directly to me) while simultaneously exhibiting self-righteousness, pretentiousness, arrogance and zealotry. You then back out of any opportunity to actually fight against us brutal, sanctimonious, self-righteous zealots while simultaneously accusing us of notorious cowardice. Likewise, you accuse the Federation of something you have aptly demonstrated in the course of eleven short days as a capsuleer: hypocrisy.

You also profess to be taking a stance of "neutrality" while placing yourself as judge and lord over every other nation in the cluster and demonstrating objective hostility toward both the Gallente and the Amarr (moreso the latter) which is quite the opposite of neutrality.

You have done far more to implicate yourself than I could ever hope to, so I applaud you.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#108 - 2012-08-22 20:03:31 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
I am a neutral trader and that is what I intend to remain, any thoughts of "taking sides" have been squelched by this summit.


Good fortune to your efforts in delivering goods to refugees and those in need; may you find healthy profit at the task. If any are seeking employment within the State, I am willing to extend employment opportunities at my marina and filtration facility. All positions include medical and dental, living arrangements, daily needs, and an above-industry-standard discretionary budget. Positions are of course limited, but there is already a community of Brutor here and I am happy to welcome additions to the family. Resumes can be forwarded to my DED-licence address.

As to your being neutral - I'm afraid that I don't buy it, sir. You are clearly not at all neutral towards the Amarr Empire, nor to the Gallente. Your posts here make this obvious. If you truly believe yourself to be neutral, I suggest that you more deeply analyse what neutrality means.

Regarldess, welcome to the infomorph community. Best of luck.
Anslo
Scope Works
#109 - 2012-08-22 20:05:14 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Regarldess, welcome to the infomorph community. Best of luck.


Wait, are we really considered infomorphs? I thought that was only when a consciousness is data, at all times.

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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#110 - 2012-08-22 20:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Scherezad
Anslo wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Regarldess, welcome to the infomorph community. Best of luck.


Wait, are we really considered infomorphs? I thought that was only when a consciousness is data, at all times.


I suppose that depends on your definition. According to the definition I work with, an infomorph is any decision network (sentient, biological, digital, or otherwise) able to

  1. survive design-change modification to its decision network without a disjunctive event, and
  2. demonstrate some form of substrate-independence.

In our labs, the first property is normally called the network's second-order resilience, while the second property is called its transitivity. Capsuleers are infomorphs with moderate second-order resilience and low transitivity.
Anslo
Scope Works
#111 - 2012-08-22 20:14:48 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Regarldess, welcome to the infomorph community. Best of luck.


Wait, are we really considered infomorphs? I thought that was only when a consciousness is data, at all times.


I suppose that depends on your definition. According to the definition I work with, an infomorph is any decision network (sentient, biological, digital, or otherwise) able to

  1. survive design-change modification to its decision network without a disjunctive event, and
  2. demonstrate some form of substrate-independence.

In our labs, the first property is normally called the network's second-order resilience, while the second property is called its transitivity. Capsuleers are infomorphs with moderate second-order resilience and low transitivity.


I always thought of infomorphs as like, transhuman or posthuman or something. You know, shedding the need for physical bodies and such. Eh, I guess it's an open definition.

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Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-08-22 20:18:57 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
Because it's still burning my warpcore a bit that I came to this "summit" expecting to see words from bold thinkers and kindred spirits, and instead I find a lot of pseudo intellectual slaver dung boot kissing and back patting the very entities that would sell them as livestock.


And because shuttling from system to system seems to give you a lot of time to post messages. Why not use some of that time to think for yourself instead of spouting propaganda and hate like some sort of bought-and-paid-for shill?
Benjamin Eastwood
#113 - 2012-08-22 20:26:00 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:

When I came to this summit the first thing I noticed was the arrogance of religious zealots and a general air of the pretentious.


Ditto. There's an amusing drinking game based off of taking a sip of alcohol every time you see a supercilious post involving an Amarr and religion.

"Endless ISK, the sinews of war"
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#114 - 2012-08-22 20:29:25 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Regarldess, welcome to the infomorph community. Best of luck.


Wait, are we really considered infomorphs? I thought that was only when a consciousness is data, at all times.


I suppose that depends on your definition. According to the definition I work with, an infomorph is any decision network (sentient, biological, digital, or otherwise) able to

  1. survive design-change modification to its decision network without a disjunctive event, and
  2. demonstrate some form of substrate-independence.

In our labs, the first property is normally called the network's second-order resilience, while the second property is called its transitivity. Capsuleers are infomorphs with moderate second-order resilience and low transitivity.


I always thought of infomorphs as like, transhuman or posthuman or something. You know, shedding the need for physical bodies and such. Eh, I guess it's an open definition.


There will always be a need for a physical shell. You are an infomorph because you have been freed of the chains of having one from birth to death. You are a distinct entity from your meat and machine.

You don't even need your machine to be made out of meat anymore, although that's still easiest. Think about it.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#115 - 2012-08-22 20:55:03 UTC
Benjamin Eastwood wrote:
Ditto. There's an amusing drinking game based off of taking a sip of alcohol every time you see a supercilious post involving an Amarr and religion.


Huh, that might explain the behavior of a few people here on IGS since my becoming more active.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Benjamin Eastwood
#116 - 2012-08-22 22:00:41 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

You don't even need your machine to be made out of meat anymore, although that's still easiest. Think about it.


Truly severing one's consciousness from an organic physical form is incredibly difficult. Our manifestation of "self" is built around the scaffold of an organic construct. I could have had my face smoothed out long ago, removing the ugly and painful scar from the side of my head, but it's that attachment to my physical form that has kept me from doing so.

"Endless ISK, the sinews of war"
Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
#117 - 2012-08-22 22:14:59 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Benjamin Eastwood wrote:
Ditto. There's an amusing drinking game based off of taking a sip of alcohol every time you see a supercilious post involving an Amarr and religion.


Huh, that might explain the behavior of a few people here on IGS since my becoming more active.



Do yourself a favor and buy a couple of stocks in a liquor company if you're going to keep the stuffy Amarr religious nut act up.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#118 - 2012-08-22 22:20:42 UTC
Benjamin Eastwood wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

You don't even need your machine to be made out of meat anymore, although that's still easiest. Think about it.


Truly severing one's consciousness from an organic physical form is incredibly difficult. Our manifestation of "self" is built around the scaffold of an organic construct. I could have had my face smoothed out long ago, removing the ugly and painful scar from the side of my head, but it's that attachment to my physical form that has kept me from doing so.


That sounds like a personal problem, or vanity.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#119 - 2012-08-22 23:56:30 UTC
Henry Kaine wrote:

Do yourself a favor and buy a couple of stocks in a liquor company if you're going to keep the stuffy Amarr religious nut act up.


Who's acting?

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Benjamin Eastwood
#120 - 2012-08-23 00:45:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Benjamin Eastwood
Azdan Amith wrote:
Henry Kaine wrote:

Do yourself a favor and buy a couple of stocks in a liquor company if you're going to keep the stuffy Amarr religious nut act up.


Who's acting?


I doubt Mr. Kaine is a man of much religion. So then that leaves you, and pretty much the rest of the Summit.

"Endless ISK, the sinews of war"