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Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#41 - 2012-08-21 05:05:47 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:

My, for someone who's supposedly got a grudging respect for the Minmatar people and someone who wants to appear as a reasoned and calm voice you've written a lot of racist stereotypes in that paragraph. Care to explain yourself, pilot?


I believe you've taken my statement as if it were intended for all Minmatar, it was not. It was quite pointedly aimed at the one individual whom I quoted and I fail to see where it was racially charged.

Also, I do not believe I've ever claimed a desire to appear as a reasoned and calm voice. I am simply who I am and there is nothing more to it. I do try to be reasonable and calm but I admit I can become frustrated and speak in error, I am far from perfect. I also admit that my words were overly harsh as I've been very frustrated today with a number of things.

The activities listed have occurred in the past but I should not have attributed them to the present without substantial proof of them and should not have accused this individual pilot of them. For that, I was in error and I extend my apologies (for what little they're worth). The original claim that I would suggest diverting attention inward and helping planetside populations remains, however.


so you made the assumption i pillage **** and murder? (also taking my post from outside a roleplaying forum and using it in a roleplaying forum is stupid as hell)

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Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#42 - 2012-08-21 06:33:20 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:
Last i checked best place to start an arguement with an alliance member is in public, welldone.
Instead of complaining you should indeed be grateful that your fellow alliance member was disrupting the image of your alliance being a bunch a rude, ill-mannered uneducated and vulgar people altogether.

I know that exchanging baseless insults a favourite sport of those Matari unlucky enough to dwell in the 'Minmatar Republic'—which is neither really Minmatar, nor a real Republic—but I would suggest that we return to topic.

Thank you.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-08-21 11:45:10 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:

so you made the assumption i pillage **** and murder? (also taking my post from outside a roleplaying forum and using it in a roleplaying forum is stupid as hell)


((For the record, the post I quoted is found here and is, in fact, part of these role play forums.))

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#44 - 2012-08-21 13:19:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhiannon Dellacorte
Horak Thor wrote:
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
However none of the stations ever change hands (correct me if I'm wrong there).


Confirming i am correcting you because you are wrong.


Usually when one a person corrects another, they take the time to actually explain where and how that person is wrong. Its simply common courtesy.

Regarding the OP:

Everybody bleeds the same.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#45 - 2012-08-21 15:23:55 UTC
Being properly dressed, buttoned, polished, and cleaned has a well-known effect on morale. People feel good when they are more presentable. Further, wearing the same uniform as your peers promotes unity and group spirit.

I myself wear uniforms while on duty, as do my crews. I admit that I like it! Lai Dai Research uses a white business suit style uniform, well suited to work both in the lab and in the boardroom. I've adopted a variant of the Caldari Navy uniform for my own ship crews, and myself while serving in capacity as Captain. Enforcement is handled by my staff sergeants, though, so it doesn't usually involve me.

There's no reason to be dull about it though. I schedule casual days in the lab, and while that's inappropriate on board a ship (their uniforms double as protection devices) there are monthly award ceremonies for medals, so that they can show off their accomplishments. We have a dinner afterwards, and it really is quite a lot of fun. I'm happy to say that my crew morale is very high, and is consistently so.

Thank you for bringing up this topic, OP! I obsess about both cleanliness and fashion pretty badly, so it's a matter close to my heart.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2012-08-21 15:40:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Horak Thor wrote:


Maybe you dont understand the anger at having 1/3 of you people enslaved, no doubt you cant comprehend it being amarrian. but the constant knowledge that 1/3 of your race is toiling under unfavourable circumstances, and as i write this large percentages of the remaining heritage of my people are being brainwashed, or subjugated, its hard to put down our arms until this is rectified, for me, impossible.


Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.

Quote:

The matari people displaced by the recent fighting are being helped as much as the republic can do so, myself being in the military arm of the organization, am better suited to protecting the space they are moving into, by force, each arm of the organization has its purpose mine is warfare, a duty im more than happy to carry out.

My vast wealth will be invested into ensuring more slaves are freed and brought back into the fold, if you believe the republic to be that poor that it cannot care for its own people without the help of a capsuleers finances, your sadly mistaken. (the fact my entire income is paid for by the republic should tell you that your assumption is false).


Unfortunately the Republicans don't have a very good record when it comes to looking after refugees. Forced to live in squalor, subject to the rule of lawless mobs, is it so surprising that so many of us think that they're better off as slaves?

Also, many slaves aren't even Minmatar. Who are you to drag them from a loving environment and force them into your culture?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Anslo
Scope Works
#47 - 2012-08-21 16:05:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Rodj Blake wrote:

Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.


Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Benjamin Eastwood
#48 - 2012-08-21 16:26:31 UTC
As a young man slogging through one violently hostile mudhole to the next, I can say without a doubt that a round fired from a neatly dressed soldier is no more lethal than the soldier who's failed to shine his boots enough.

Perfect military dress, while beneficial in many ways to morale and unit strength, can be a serious chink in one's armor when there are officers who tyrannically enforce it in unrealistic and unnecessary ways.

"Endless ISK, the sinews of war"
Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
#49 - 2012-08-21 16:36:16 UTC
I once throttled a man who insulted me outside of a bar awhile back. I don't think any amount of shine or cleaning on his fancy uniform could have stopped his windpipe from crumpling.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#50 - 2012-08-21 16:59:04 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

Unfortunately the Republicans don't have a very good record when it comes to looking after refugees. Forced to live in squalor, subject to the rule of lawless mobs, is it so surprising that so many of us think that they're better off as slaves? (snip)



You and your ilk keep repeating this line and I'd like to know what facts you have to support it. If conditions were so horrid in the Republic as you contend, why then aren't people leaving en masse? Where are the Scope reports detailing these lawless mobs running roughshod over local police and military units? Why are people leaving the Federation to rejoin their brothers and sisters in the Republic?

I left a quite comfortable life in the Federation in order to join the Republic's military and help my people. Tens of thousands immigrate to Matari space each month for the same reason and we're not living in mud huts cowering in fear of violent mobs nor wondering where the next meal is coming from. Whether capsuleer or average planetsider we all go about our daily lives the same as people in the State, Federation or Empire.

You, Blake, are a bigot and a poor propagandist defending that for which there is no defense. Either produce evidence of what you speak of or, stop with the lies.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#51 - 2012-08-21 17:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Double-post Sad

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2012-08-21 17:57:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Anabella Rella wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

Unfortunately the Republicans don't have a very good record when it comes to looking after refugees. Forced to live in squalor, subject to the rule of lawless mobs, is it so surprising that so many of us think that they're better off as slaves? (snip)



You and your ilk keep repeating this line and I'd like to know what facts you have to support it. If conditions were so horrid in the Republic as you contend, why then aren't people leaving en masse? Where are the Scope reports detailing these lawless mobs running roughshod over local police and military units? Why are people leaving the Federation to rejoin their brothers and sisters in the Republic?


Where are the Scope reports detailing the lawlessness in Minmatar space?

How about here, here and here?

Those three stories are amongst the most recent half-dozen Minmatar items on the Scope feed.

I could complain about Minmatar ignorance at this point - but you'd probably want news stories to support that as well, despite its self-evident nature.

Quote:
You, Blake, are a bigot and a poor propagandist defending that for which there is no defense. Either produce evidence of what you speak of or, stop with the lies.


I've done as you asked, despite the unwarranted insult.

Now, perhaps you'll return the favour and provide some evidence that people are leaving the Federation to settle in the Republic?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#53 - 2012-08-21 18:11:11 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.


Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind.


Take a look at the billions of Ni-Kunni in the Empire. Each and every one of them are descended from slaves. Would they be better off living in the mess that we found their ancestors in? Would there even be a Ni-Kunni race if we hadn't rescued them from their primitive state?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Anslo
Scope Works
#54 - 2012-08-21 18:26:41 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.


Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind.


Take a look at the billions of Ni-Kunni in the Empire. Each and every one of them are descended from slaves. Would they be better off living in the mess that we found their ancestors in? Would there even be a Ni-Kunni race if we hadn't rescued them from their primitive state?


You enslaved them and forced your culture on them you dome headed God-Lover. You killed a culture that could have thrived. You forced it on them and pushed them into slavery until they recited every damn verse of your scriptures with perfect candor. Good little drones for your nut job Empress.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2012-08-21 18:31:18 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.


Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind.


Take a look at the billions of Ni-Kunni in the Empire. Each and every one of them are descended from slaves. Would they be better off living in the mess that we found their ancestors in? Would there even be a Ni-Kunni race if we hadn't rescued them from their primitive state?


You enslaved them and forced your culture on them you dome headed God-Lover. You killed a culture that could have thrived. You forced it on them and pushed them into slavery until they recited every damn verse of your scriptures with perfect candor. Good little drones for your nut job Empress.


Aaah yes, the old ad hominem approach.

Yes we forced them to do things. It was for their own good. Consider a child. Sometimes its parents have to force it to do things, or force it to not do things. For its own good.

Getting things back on topic, the Ni-Kunni are in general both neater and tidier now.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#56 - 2012-08-21 19:08:45 UTC
Anslo wrote:
You enslaved them and forced your culture on them you dome headed God-Lover. You killed a culture that could have thrived. You forced it on them and pushed them into slavery until they recited every damn verse of your scriptures with perfect candor. Good little drones for your nut job Empress.


The Ni-Kunni are a singularly bad example to support your case.

Firstly, they were a primitive race when the Empire found them and they would have never managed to leave their planet. The Ni-Kunni homeworld has a large resource deficit. They lack industrial-era metals and their native planetary water supply could hardly support more than two billion people.

Moreover, the Ni-Kunni have a culture. It's a mercantile one and they've carried it with them from Mishi. One of the reasons they integrated so well into Imperial culture is that their native outlook and philosophy 'fit' well with that of the Empire.

If you want to talk about Imperial policies hurting a slave race, the Ealur would be a better example.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Anslo
Scope Works
#57 - 2012-08-21 19:14:26 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

Aaah yes, the old ad hominem approach.

Yes we forced them to do things. It was for their own good. Consider a child. Sometimes its parents have to force it to do things, or force it to not do things. For its own good.

Getting things back on topic, the Ni-Kunni are in general both neater and tidier now.


You're not parents. They aren't YOUR children. You don't know what is and isn't good for anyone.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-08-21 19:15:19 UTC
Anslo wrote:
You don't know what is and isn't good for anyone.


Producing credentials which verify your right to make that statement would lend more credit to your argument.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Anslo
Scope Works
#59 - 2012-08-21 19:18:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Azdan Amith wrote:
Anslo wrote:
You don't know what is and isn't good for anyone.


Producing credentials which verify your right to make that statement would lend more credit to your argument.


Since when did anyone need credentials to say "slavery is wrong, you shouldn't decide a people's fate other than your own?" I love how eggers fall back on that bullshit excuse when a fact is stated. "Where's your data hmmm?" **** you, I don't need a 50-page thesis to support that slavery is morally reprehensible and that the Minmatar are deservedly pissed off. I just hope they stomp you people quickly.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#60 - 2012-08-21 19:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mensha Khael Crow
Gentlemen, are you going to help the heathen to disrupt the discussion much longer?

As for the original discussion, before these irrelevancies. I find that in times of peace proper attire is a sign of discipline for any organization. Times of war allow for some leeway to those successfull in their appointed goals.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.