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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#221 - 2012-08-27 08:39:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Horak Thor wrote:

So if a religion enslaves a race murdering billions destroying entire worlds, are we then expected to accept that religion with open arms on the very eve of our freedom?

No grow up and realize that every action the Amarr make or have made has an equal reaction, or in other words the current situation the Minmatar find our selves in is a direct, a bloody DIRECT consequence of everything we have endured at the hands of the Amarr.



If you claim to believe in free speech, but only when people say things you agree with, then you do not really believe in free speech.

If you claim to believe in freedom of thought, but only when people think what you consider to be the right things, then you do not really believe in freedom of thought.

If you claim to believe in religious freedom, but not if the religion in question is one of which you disapprove, then you do not really believe in religious freedom.

Now I don't claim to be a supporter of freedom. I've always thought that freedom in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing. But you Horak, you and your Shakorite buddies, you do claim to support all of the above freedoms. And yet your support only extends as far as people with whom you agree.

You're perfectly entitled to want to see a particular religion outlawed. But to do so while claiming to be a supporter of religious tolerance isn't so much irony as gross hypocrisy.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#222 - 2012-08-27 21:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Horak Thor
Rodj Blake wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:

So if a religion enslaves a race murdering billions destroying entire worlds, are we then expected to accept that religion with open arms on the very eve of our freedom?

No grow up and realize that every action the Amarr make or have made has an equal reaction, or in other words the current situation the Minmatar find our selves in is a direct, a bloody DIRECT consequence of everything we have endured at the hands of the Amarr.



If you claim to believe in free speech, but only when people say things you agree with, then you do not really believe in free speech.

If you claim to believe in freedom of thought, but only when people think what you consider to be the right things, then you do not really believe in freedom of thought.

If you claim to believe in religious freedom, but not if the religion in question is one of which you disapprove, then you do not really believe in religious freedom.

Now I don't claim to be a supporter of freedom. I've always thought that freedom in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing. But you Horak, you and your Shakorite buddies, you do claim to support all of the above freedoms. And yet your support only extends as far as people with whom you agree.

You're perfectly entitled to want to see a particular religion outlawed. But to do so while claiming to be a supporter of religious tolerance isn't so much irony as gross hypocrisy.


And yet again you are wrong.

I am not a religious man, personally i believe religion is just a way for groups of men to hold power over weak minded individuals. however if one wishes to be religious i will not shout that they should not be, i will let them get on with it.

Being a supporter of free speech/ freedom of thought/ religious freedom requires one thing though. Being aligned against those who are against these things.

The Amarrians are against Freedom of thought. The Amarrians are against freedom of speech. The Amarrians are clearly against religious freedom.

So I, as a supporter of these stated freedom's, am against the Amarrian religion, because the Amarrian religion is directly opposed to everything that i stand for.

I ask you this, as a supporter of freedom and free speech should i stand idly by and allow others to not have the gift of freedom? and if i wish others to have freedom, because i support freedom, i am not a supporter of freedom? that is what you are accusing me off.

I hope you realize how stupid this sounds.

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#223 - 2012-08-28 07:16:18 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:

I ask you this, as a supporter of freedom and free speech should i stand idly by and allow others to not have the gift of freedom? and if i wish others to have freedom, because i support freedom, i am not a supporter of freedom? that is what you are accusing me off.


You have failed to denounce the forced silencing of the likes of Abel Jarek, so you have already stood idly by and allowed others to not have the gift of freedom.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#224 - 2012-08-28 08:13:26 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
You have failed to denounce the forced silencing of the likes of Abel Jarek, so you have already stood idly by and allowed others to not have the gift of freedom.
And it is in the name of freedom of speech that I now ask, has anyone else seen "A Crusader is always Neat and Tidy" and read it as "A Crusader is always in Need of Tiddy"?

carry on Blink
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#225 - 2012-08-28 22:15:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Horak Thor
Rodj Blake wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:

I ask you this, as a supporter of freedom and free speech should i stand idly by and allow others to not have the gift of freedom? and if i wish others to have freedom, because i support freedom, i am not a supporter of freedom? that is what you are accusing me off.


You have failed to denounce the forced silencing of the likes of Abel Jarek, so you have already stood idly by and allowed others to not have the gift of freedom.


He used his freedom to setup an Amarrian Religious sect in the middle of Krusual Tribe Native land, the most renowned tribe for brutality of all the minmatar. Perhaps he thought his god would save him, perhaps he had a death wish, but i can tell you this was an extremely unwise move.

It show's how much freedom there is in the Republic that a man, preaching the faith of a most hated empire, could set up a sect of said faith on the homeworld of our republic, it also speaks of the deep seated hate that we hold that he was killed by the general public.

Do i believe he should have been killed? no. i think he should have been told to set up somewhere else for his own safety. this was a stupid move by our government that had an obvious end result. However if i were to take up every small case of a person freedom of speech rights being breached, i would be shouting in the forums alot.
I think ill start with the billions of Minmatar first before i start taking up individual cases thanks.

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