Warfare & Tactics

FW was already dead before inferno.

Now FW area is much more active than for a long time, people want some easy pvp but faction warfare is not about pvp, it is about system control, it is up to players if they want to make system control as pvp or pve. Tools are there.

Anyway FW lp store changes and easy lp is only one way to nerf highsec missioner income without nerfing anything, they boosted fw and made lowsec more alive. Content may not be so challenging but i think it is good for many players to farm with alts and find out that lowsec is not so scary place after all.

Players wanted reason to take FW plexes, now there is reason to take those, it is just how players wanted it.
You can not force players to pvp ever, because it is only game, and people usually takes easiest route.
Making plexing too hard end this all farming and ends all action as well.

Farmer is true FW player, rest are just free load.

WOOOOAAHHHH gunna have to stop you there!

Fight ratios may be similer but the sizes and scale per fight are DRASTICLY different now.

Those that wanted to mission, did mission, those that had other income did that - we all fought tooth and nail EVERY WEEK over nothing.

CCP introduced a massive isk factor that could be achieved with a brand new alt, thus totally pooping on everything that it was, and it WAS alot of fun ask ANYBODY from pre inferno.

go ahead, i'll wait.

We all wanted something to happen but inferno literally burned it.

The real kicker is we all have "i told you so t shirts" and less fun in eve now. yey amar victo... nvm

good way to end FW once again :)

so hand over the reigns from the 1 day no gun plex alts, to the lvl 4 farm alts?

GG

it was fun while it was fun....

I need to run numbers on how much it's going to take to keep systems upgraded, but my initial impression is that it's going to be very tough to keep a warzone upgraded to Tier 3. Both sides (winning and losing) are going to move towards missioning to make LP (the farmers pre-inferno will still be around - the farmers post inferno will leave).

A few talking points:
1. We're going to have to read infinite numbers of FW posts by Ms. Yoshida on how the system is totally stupid and lame and whatever, and by Cearain on how it should promote pvp and not farming of missions, yada yada yada.

2. FW pilots will spend less time pvp'ing because they won't be able to pvp and make isk at the same rate as before and will therefore need to run FW missions or go out of theater to make isk. Number of fights will be down.

3. Mission systems will be key objectives in FW. Nennamaila, Heydieles and many other systems will be worthless. Enaluri, Eha, etc.. will increase in importance.

4. Damar will cry about the invulnerability of the low sec mission hub system Parts (and now he'll be right), while I'll cry about how there are too many Caldari mission systems too close to Gallente space and that the geography of the map clearly favors Caldari.

5. SoTF will invest in 100 cynojammers and be the dominate hot dropping super cap corporation of all low sec. (WBR will rejoin FW, maybe PL too)

6. We'll still be in FW - killing stuff, trying to take systems, and having fun.

yey ccp: lets stop people gaming the system, by changing things so people can still game the system.

While that isk carrot is there, fun, honorable pvp/pve is totally shafted.#

get a clue for GODS sake.

/me turbo facepalms.

dare i say reset?

cus if there isnt one, its going to be an even slower version of inferno domination all over again. sigh.

They changed sides. Where's the "unhappy", except for the RPers (like yourself)? You guys have farmers just like every other side, so don't act like it's the death of FW. Many simply moved the spigot from one bucket to another. Same fun, different space.

Long, long, long after it would've done any good at all, Amarr had a bunch of systems for three days. Woo.

Potential for pre-patch bullshit this time around will be: all the way up to the rollout, there will be almost no defensive plexing outside of a few 'home' systems. All the way up to the rollout, the existing mechanism of 'taking turns pushing for a cashout' will continue to operate. The day of the patch, defensive plexing will be incentivized to the hilt and 'pushing for a cashout' will die.

We'll be playing musical chairs all the way up to the patch and then the music will stop and one side will be the loser forever.

Fun, fun, fun!

I would absolutely hate a reset. It would be a slap in the face. Let's examine some of the content that's been generated since Inferno:

• Amarr killed a Minmatar Carrier pilot who undocked in Kourm before realizing his militia had lost the system. It was a juicy kill and great drama.

• Susan Black and Poetic Stan both crowed about how Minmatar were going to get a medal for conquering all the systems. A group of diehard Aussie pilots in Sahtogas pretty much said, "**** you, you shall not pass." Absolutely amazing.

• Agony Empire lost all of their belongings within hours of joining FW. They dug deep and reqconquered Kamela within a week. Cue Eye of the Tiger music.

• On the other side of the coin, Minmatar militia absolutely humiliated a nullsec alliance that wanted some quick coin. I think all of us smiled a little.

I want to be in the final push to take Huola. I want to be there when the tide turns. (I was there.. facepalm) What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of Ninlarra! Winter promises to bring 90% of what we want. The LP isk fountain is being reigned in. You have to kill all the NPC's in a plex for the counter to move. You can survive even on Tier One. Plexes will be about PvP more then PvE. If you think missions will still be a problem - go post in the F&I thread as I did that you think so. That's the place to put it.