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Best place to mine in or near Devoid region?
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#1 - 2012-08-19 13:33:46 UTC
I've set up base in the Devoid region, in Amarr space, mainly because it's far from Jita, so I figure there's better opportunity for a lot of things.

Right now I'd like to mine a bit, semi-AFK in my Mackinaw. Solo. And of course in high-sec.

The reason I'm asking in here about where to mine, is because I do not understand all the relevant game mechanics exactly.

The ideal system for me is one with a station, but no refinery. That way, I can down to dump ore, without having to go through any stargates, and then later I can move the ore to somewhere else, with my Freighter.

There are no such systems in Devoid region, though, and as far as I can see, there aren't any good ones in neighbouring regions either, because those tend to be higher sec.

And that's the other criterion: A security rating as close to low-sec as possible. I don't know exactly how the game rounds, if the cutoff is at 0.45 real-sec or what. But back when I lived in Black Rise, I had good experiences mining in 0.5. Lots of ore there.

So, it's going to be in Devoid. It's going to be in a high-sec system, with a station that has a Refinery.

But how much does true security rating matter? I have in mind deciding on one system, preferably with a fair number of belts, and settting up warp-to bookmarks that are good to use with an un-range-boosted Mackinaw, i.e. 2 bookmarks per belt that can cover most or preferably all of the belt, with 15 km range strippers.
Vanria Vexed
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-19 14:06:06 UTC
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Devoid/Enka

Ever thought of giving the high sec island there a shot?

**Playing EVE at times feels like putting a 10000 piece puzzle together, enjoying the accomplishment of succedding in completing it, then having some random stranger walk by and flip your table over. **
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#3 - 2012-08-19 14:09:05 UTC
Vanria Vexed wrote:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Devoid/Enka

Ever thought of giving the high sec island there a shot?


Sure, I thought about it last year. It kinda looks interesting. Get all the BPOs I need, get in there, and start from scratch. But I'm chicken. I'd really like to stay in connected high-sec. At least for the foreseeable future.
Vanria Vexed
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-08-19 14:20:10 UTC
I use to live out there before the FW changes, not sure how it is now. I've moved to a high sec island in Caldari Space. But think of it this way, you have people in the area conducting faction warfare getting stuff blown up.

**Playing EVE at times feels like putting a 10000 piece puzzle together, enjoying the accomplishment of succedding in completing it, then having some random stranger walk by and flip your table over. **
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#5 - 2012-08-19 14:27:43 UTC
Vanria Vexed wrote:
I use to live out there before the FW changes, not sure how it is now. I've moved to a high sec island in Caldari Space. But think of it this way, you have people in the area conducting faction warfare getting stuff blown up.


Faction Warfare, in Devoid? I don't understand.
Vanria Vexed
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-19 14:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanria Vexed
I'm saying IF you really wanted to you could mine ore on the high sec island I linked for you and build items that people would use in faction warfare in the station in Halmah. Tech I stuff is relatively cheap to buy and get blown up and you can usually sell them for more that what you would if you sold your minerals on the market. Heck you could just sell the minerals in the stations there and let the local industrialists make stuff.

But if you are dead set on staying in high sec try this system out.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/The_Bleak_Lands/Myyhera

0.5 space, 15 belts, and about 8 jumps from Amarr

**Playing EVE at times feels like putting a 10000 piece puzzle together, enjoying the accomplishment of succedding in completing it, then having some random stranger walk by and flip your table over. **
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#7 - 2012-08-19 20:22:29 UTC
Am I correct in asuming that lower-sec systems are better to mine in? As close to 0.5 as possible, without crosisng the threshold?
Adam Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-08-19 21:01:46 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Am I correct in asuming that lower-sec systems are better to mine in? As close to 0.5 as possible, without crosisng the threshold?


Not really, if you're mining scord and veld you may as well benefit from the lack of rats and quicker CONCORD of hisec.
Ginger Barbarella
#9 - 2012-08-19 22:36:22 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I've set up base in the Devoid region, in Amarr space, mainly because it's far from Jita, so I figure there's better opportunity for a lot of things.

Right now I'd like to mine a bit, semi-AFK in my Mackinaw. Solo. And of course in high-sec.

The reason I'm asking in here about where to mine, is because I do not understand all the relevant game mechanics exactly.

The ideal system for me is one with a station, but no refinery. That way, I can down to dump ore, without having to go through any stargates, and then later I can move the ore to somewhere else, with my Freighter.

There are no such systems in Devoid region, though, and as far as I can see, there aren't any good ones in neighbouring regions either, because those tend to be higher sec.

And that's the other criterion: A security rating as close to low-sec as possible. I don't know exactly how the game rounds, if the cutoff is at 0.45 real-sec or what. But back when I lived in Black Rise, I had good experiences mining in 0.5. Lots of ore there.

So, it's going to be in Devoid. It's going to be in a high-sec system, with a station that has a Refinery.

But how much does true security rating matter? I have in mind deciding on one system, preferably with a fair number of belts, and settting up warp-to bookmarks that are good to use with an un-range-boosted Mackinaw, i.e. 2 bookmarks per belt that can cover most or preferably all of the belt, with 15 km range strippers.


You're terrible at this bait thing, dude.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#10 - 2012-08-19 23:07:41 UTC
Adam Junior wrote:
Salpad wrote:
Am I correct in asuming that lower-sec systems are better to mine in? As close to 0.5 as possible, without crosisng the threshold?


Not really, if you're mining scord and veld you may as well benefit from the lack of rats and quicker CONCORD of hisec.


I mainly mine scord, because it's currently the highest value, but some time last year, pyroxeres was the highest value. One thing I liked about the Black Rise region is that 0.5 systems had all 4 basic kinds of ores.
Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm.
#11 - 2012-08-20 00:53:51 UTC
There are 6 basic ores.

And use dotlan to check out jumps, kills, npc's killed etc to find a good spot.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-08-20 13:14:17 UTC
Thats like asking gankers where they want to kill you...
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#13 - 2012-08-20 14:15:02 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Thats like asking gankers where they want to kill you...


Note I'm not just asking where to mine.

I'm also asking why. I'm asking what principles I should base my decision on. Or ather, I'm suggesting some principles myself, and then asking how good they are, in light of what's known about EVE's game mechanics.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#14 - 2012-08-20 15:38:55 UTC
Really only 3 reasons to mine in Eve:

1) You enjoy it. Believe it or not, some of us actually do. ;P If you do not enjoy it, you will go bonkers with boredom.
2) You have multiple accounts, and like setting up 1 man 6 pilot mining ops.
3) You do your own production, and you are in no hurry, and have #2.

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Vanria Vexed
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-08-20 16:42:32 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Adam Junior wrote:
Salpad wrote:
Am I correct in asuming that lower-sec systems are better to mine in? As close to 0.5 as possible, without crosisng the threshold?


Not really, if you're mining scord and veld you may as well benefit from the lack of rats and quicker CONCORD of hisec.


I mainly mine scord, because it's currently the highest value, but some time last year, pyroxeres was the highest value. One thing I liked about the Black Rise region is that 0.5 systems had all 4 basic kinds of ores.


For the most part 0.6 and 0.5 space offer the same ores for a given empire, the different between the two are the strength of the rats and CONCORD response times. Right now the high sec ores that are paying out the most are Veldspar, Scordite, Plagioclase, and Pyroxers. All four of those are found in Caldari space. Right now, Omber and Kernite, both which contain Isogen aren't worth much. So mining in Amarr you will have Kernite instead of Plagioclase in Caldari space.

**Playing EVE at times feels like putting a 10000 piece puzzle together, enjoying the accomplishment of succedding in completing it, then having some random stranger walk by and flip your table over. **
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-08-20 18:01:24 UTC
Where you mine is really personal preference, and people tend to not share where they mine for obvious reasons.

Here is the list of key things I myself look for when scouting out a new highsec mining spot.

With station:

  1. No ice belts (Less ganking attempts). Gankers tend to use dotlan and hunt down ice belts, so stay out of these systems if you're not mining ice.

  2. Station has refining.
  3. Station is owned by a corp that I have standings with for perfect refines.
  4. System has low or no traffic. Away from newbie schools, not a main trade route, dead ends are a bonus.
  5. .7 or lower. .7 and below you will get all the highsec ores that spawn in the region.
  6. Low mining activity. Mainly early activity (first 10 hours after reset). If there is a lot of activity early on in the day its most likely bots, and everything will be cleared out before you get there.
  7. Check dotlan for warps, kills, etc.
  8. Check eve-kill for the frequency of industrial kills.


Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#17 - 2012-08-21 09:50:19 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
Where you mine is really personal preference, and people tend to not share where they mine for obvious reasons.

Here is the list of key things I myself look for when scouting out a new highsec mining spot.

With station:

  1. No ice belts (Less ganking attempts). Gankers tend to use dotlan and hunt down ice belts, so stay out of these systems if you're not mining ice.

  2. Station has refining.
  3. Station is owned by a corp that I have standings with for perfect refines.
  4. System has low or no traffic. Away from newbie schools, not a main trade route, dead ends are a bonus.
  5. .7 or lower. .7 and below you will get all the highsec ores that spawn in the region.
  6. Low mining activity. Mainly early activity (first 10 hours after reset). If there is a lot of activity early on in the day its most likely bots, and everything will be cleared out before you get there.
  7. Check dotlan for warps, kills, etc.
  8. Check eve-kill for the frequency of industrial kills.




Thank you! That's exactly what I had been hoping for. The belt rats in the 0.6 systems I've mined in have actually chewed my T2 drones slightly into armour damage, in spite of me havnig maxed drone skillz (Guristas belt rats were never able to do that to me!), so knowing I won't miss out on anything by switching to a 0.7 system is nice.

That also increases the possibility that I can find a 0.7 system withou refinery service, like one I used to mine in long ago somewhere (not in Black Rise - the system in Black Rise, that I used, didn't have a station at all, which was annoying). It's easy to move the ore to somewhere else with a Freighter, flying AFK. In my search for stations not marked "R" (using Ombey's 2D maps) I only really looked for 0.6 and preferably 0.5, so I may have tended to ignore 0.7 and certainly ignored 0.8 completely.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#18 - 2012-08-21 09:53:10 UTC
Jacabon Mere wrote:
There are 6 basic ores.

And use dotlan to check out jumps, kills, npc's killed etc to find a good spot.


You mean Jaspet and Kernite are basic ores too? Or what?

I'm used to mining in places that only have veld/scord/pyrox/plag, but I've seen Kernite in the Devoid region. Haven't mined it yet, though. What about Omber? Isn't Jaspet a basic ore?

And as for Dotlan, is there a way to get it to show me (or highlight) systems that don't have any refineries in them? Or really, all systems that don't have any 50% grade refineries in them?
Totally Trustworthy
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-21 15:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Totally Trustworthy
1. advertising your mining location is really dumb

2. Why would you not want a refinery in your system?

3. Sec status affects the amount of high quality ore like Massive, Condensed, etc. It also affects roid size, belt density, and total minable m3 in a belt.

4. Everyone is looking for the same thing. Population density in ideal spots is slowly growing. If you want lower population, stay away from systems with factories/research facilities. Ice systems are a double edged sword. They draw gankers, but the ore belts are usually empty.

5. Stay out of Caldari space.

The rest is a secret! poster above touches on some of it, but there are at least 10 other factors I examine. One often overlooked thing to do is to scout each and every belt immediately after downtime. This will give you a baseline to evaluate mining activity that takes place when you aren't around.

edit: Veld, Scord, Plag, Omber, Pyrox, Kern
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-08-21 16:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Idris Helion
Salpad wrote:
Jacabon Mere wrote:
There are 6 basic ores.

And use dotlan to check out jumps, kills, npc's killed etc to find a good spot.


You mean Jaspet and Kernite are basic ores too? Or what?

I'm used to mining in places that only have veld/scord/pyrox/plag, but I've seen Kernite in the Devoid region. Haven't mined it yet, though. What about Omber? Isn't Jaspet a basic ore?

And as for Dotlan, is there a way to get it to show me (or highlight) systems that don't have any refineries in them? Or really, all systems that don't have any 50% grade refineries in them?


Kernite occurs pretty broadly in hisec Amarr/Khanid space. It's an okay ore to mine if you're already there, but in hisec the rocks are pretty small so it's not great for ISK/m3. The main reason to mine Kernite is that it has some Isogen and Mexallon in it, which you need for manufacturing purposes.

Omber is common in Minmatar/Ammatar space. (But it's worthless -- the worst ISK/m3 ratio of any ore in the game. Don't bother. Seriously. Spodumain is just as bad, but Spod only occurs on lowsec and null.)

Check here for what ores occur in what regions: http://www.eveonlinehome.com/ore_map.php

EDIT: If you're mining ore for sale rather than manufacturing, just stick with Veldspar. It's always had the best ISK/m3 ratio. Scord is also good right now due to the high price of pyerite, but that probably won't last.
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