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We need more AOE to counter blobs
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Othran
Route One
#81 - 2012-08-21 15:07:28 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Othran wrote:
I've often thought that self-destruct should cause damage over a certain radius dependent on ship size.

It'd probably be abused to hell and back (a few ideas instantly occur to me) but I'd still like to see it.

I'd prefer to see SD dropping loot but causing damage to ships within the blast radius than current mechanics.


SD Suicide Ganks on the Jita Undock in 3... 2... wait, that happened 2 times in the first half hour of it going live? Oh... Pirate


Mmmm wouldn't be too hard to disallow SD or remove AoE damage in high-sec. There's already flags to prevent thing happening on other modules in high-sec.

It would probably get abused anyway but I like the idea of it. The implementation might be tricky Big smile
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#82 - 2012-08-21 15:36:09 UTC
Disagree with the premise of OP: We need something to counter blobs = the old "nerf numbers" nonsense. No, you can't nerf the other guy having a better fleet than you. Roll

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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#83 - 2012-08-21 15:56:52 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
With growing blobs and the removal of the AOE Doomsday we need new weapons to counter massive blobs.


Just bring back the old doomsdays.

Lag solved after 1 cycle.

Rifter lovin hobos gonna be hatin

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#84 - 2012-08-21 16:06:48 UTC
CCP should restore titans to there true power. I find it strange that they blast there main guns and only target captial ships.. Seriously CCP?

Titans are useless now. Well they make great bridges but other than that there crap.

There massive weapons should damage all targets in there blast radius.. friend and foe. Hense the name TITAN!!!!!

What? Shame on you CCP.

Wolf


“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Othran
Route One
#85 - 2012-08-21 16:12:56 UTC
Wolf Kruol wrote:
CCP should restore titans to there true power. I find it strange that they blast there main guns and only target captial ships.. Seriously CCP?

Titans are useless now. Well they make great bridges but other than that there crap.

There massive weapons should damage all targets in there blast radius.. friend and foe. Hense the name TITAN!!!!!

What? Shame on you CCP.

Wolf





Then they'd have to fix grids so "grid-fu" wasn't a factor. Oh and deal with a shedload more petitions of people alleging "grid-fu" to avoid AoE.
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#86 - 2012-08-21 16:15:19 UTC
Othran wrote:
Wolf Kruol wrote:
CCP should restore titans to there true power. I find it strange that they blast there main guns and only target captial ships.. Seriously CCP?

Titans are useless now. Well they make great bridges but other than that there crap.

There massive weapons should damage all targets in there blast radius.. friend and foe. Hense the name TITAN!!!!!

What? Shame on you CCP.

Wolf





Then they'd have to fix grids so "grid-fu" wasn't a factor. Oh and deal with a shedload more petitions of people alleging "grid-fu" to avoid AoE.

Good CCP fix this game. Make it proper.. No more excuses of this or that. Snap snap.. Blink

“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Ensign X
#87 - 2012-08-21 16:16:23 UTC
Wolf Kruol wrote:
Titans are useless now. Well they make great bridges but other than that there crap.

There massive weapons should damage all targets in there blast radius.. friend and foe. Hense the name TITAN!!!!!


I think you're confused both about how the word 'hence' is spelled and about when it should be appropriately used. You also might be confused about where the name Titan came from. Your sig explains all this.
Othran
Route One
#88 - 2012-08-21 16:16:45 UTC
Wolf Kruol wrote:
Othran wrote:
Wolf Kruol wrote:
CCP should restore titans to there true power. I find it strange that they blast there main guns and only target captial ships.. Seriously CCP?

Titans are useless now. Well they make great bridges but other than that there crap.

There massive weapons should damage all targets in there blast radius.. friend and foe. Hense the name TITAN!!!!!

What? Shame on you CCP.

Wolf





Then they'd have to fix grids so "grid-fu" wasn't a factor. Oh and deal with a shedload more petitions of people alleging "grid-fu" to avoid AoE.

Good CCP fix this game. Make it proper.. No more excuses of this or that. Snap snap.. Blink



mmmm what's the word I'm searching for?

Soon..... Lol
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-08-21 16:16:51 UTC
titans aren't useless sorry

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#90 - 2012-08-21 16:19:36 UTC
Andski wrote:
titans aren't useless sorry
They look pretty? But they lost there fire.... Large tin cans floating in space.. Make great musiem pieces for tourists to show off.. Lol

“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-08-21 16:33:29 UTC
Wolf Kruol wrote:
Andski wrote:
titans aren't useless sorry
They look pretty? But they lost there fire.... Large tin cans floating in space.. Make great musiem pieces for tourists to show off.. Lol


https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=196492

This was 27 titans AoE DDing a carrier to death. Tell me why the game would be better if 27 titans can warp into a full fleet of carriers and kill them all by pressing a button.

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Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#92 - 2012-08-21 16:40:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
Wolf Kruol wrote:
Andski wrote:
titans aren't useless sorry
They look pretty? But they lost there fire.... Large tin cans floating in space.. Make great musiem pieces for tourists to show off.. Lol


https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=196492

This was 27 titans AoE DDing a carrier to death. Tell me why the game would be better if 27 titans can warp into a full fleet of carriers and kill them all by pressing a button.

yes just caps not subcaps.. you just proved my point. Lol

“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-08-21 16:42:27 UTC
Wolf Kruol wrote:
yes just caps not subcaps.. you just proved my point. Lol


yeah uh entire capital fleets getting wiped out in one go by a few dudes is dumb as hell

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Pipa Porto
#94 - 2012-08-21 16:54:08 UTC
Othran wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Othran wrote:
I've often thought that self-destruct should cause damage over a certain radius dependent on ship size.

It'd probably be abused to hell and back (a few ideas instantly occur to me) but I'd still like to see it.

I'd prefer to see SD dropping loot but causing damage to ships within the blast radius than current mechanics.


SD Suicide Ganks on the Jita Undock in 3... 2... wait, that happened 2 times in the first half hour of it going live? Oh... Pirate


Mmmm wouldn't be too hard to disallow SD or remove AoE damage in high-sec. There's already flags to prevent thing happening on other modules in high-sec.

It would probably get abused anyway but I like the idea of it. The implementation might be tricky Big smile


So... ships exploding cause damage to nearby ships... but only when the Police (response time >6s) aren't around?

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Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-08-21 19:46:49 UTC
bla bla concord emergency force field contained the blast, bla bla bla,

and then just make a blue bubble around the explosion appear in high sec


although a system to system missile turning pilots to bacon would be still superior
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#96 - 2012-08-21 21:05:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
Wolf Kruol wrote:
yes just caps not subcaps.. you just proved my point. Lol


yeah uh entire capital fleets getting wiped out in one go by a few dudes is dumb as hell


/ Rifters Online

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Selinate
#97 - 2012-08-21 22:56:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
Zenos Ebeth wrote:
Andski wrote:
the counter to blobs is "make friends"


So the counter to blob is to have a bigger blob ? Isn't that the definition of unbalanced game design , when something can only be beaten by more of itself ?


please tell me how "balanced" game design would allow a small number of dudes to decide fights involving hundreds or thousands



Considering how goons have done this before... this is hypocritical..
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-08-21 23:31:09 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Andski wrote:
Zenos Ebeth wrote:
Andski wrote:
the counter to blobs is "make friends"


So the counter to blob is to have a bigger blob ? Isn't that the definition of unbalanced game design , when something can only be beaten by more of itself ?


please tell me how "balanced" game design would allow a small number of dudes to decide fights involving hundreds or thousands



Considering how goons have done this before... this is hypocritical..


"Goons have used AoE DDs and blap titans before, their opinions on these things are therefore irrelevant"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#99 - 2012-08-21 23:36:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Andski wrote:
Zenos Ebeth wrote:
Andski wrote:
the counter to blobs is "make friends"


So the counter to blob is to have a bigger blob ? Isn't that the definition of unbalanced game design , when something can only be beaten by more of itself ?

please tell me how "balanced" game design would allow a small number of dudes to decide fights involving hundreds or thousands

Considering how goons have done this before... this is hypocritical..

"Goons have used AoE DDs and blap titans before, their opinions on these things are therefore irrelevant"

Are you saying that once goons start using something, it has to be nerfed?

Let's go all out into highsec pvp/ganking ~


No, better yet, AFK MINING....

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2012-08-22 16:40:54 UTC
A more entertaining idea would be to have the unguided weapons do aoe equal to their current radius.
Would do little to a thinking enemy (Oh look this guy just warped to us, hey think fast)
But might just make approach FC press F1 not the best of plans.
Which is really what the complaints are about.
As small gangs and roams are far more fun to be in/fight against.