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Cleansing Isk Farmers from WH Space
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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-08-19 00:27:11 UTC
farming ISK =/= RMT

yeah, everyone in WHs know those corps are carebear farmers who log off whenever anything connect to their system, that doesnt mean they RMT.

you will find the 95% of big wh groups will run all their home sites everyday so looking at any heavily occupied c5-6 wh will give you the same results...

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Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-08-19 04:42:41 UTC
I find it amusing that when I speak about Power of Two and True Power Team and RMT, its not PoT nor TPT that comes.


It is W-Space and Wormhole Holders that arrive as a defense force in their stead.


What is the connection between these groups, what are their associations with each other?

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 Kahlil Gibran
Black Cheri
The Logs Show Nothing
#23 - 2012-08-19 07:15:08 UTC

" they use the leashing method to clear sites thus avoiding all the nuets and scrams of the sleeper guardains, and making the sites far easier ...'

by Corbexx

Can You please explain the Leashing Method ... have not heard it mentioned before ? Thanks.

Black
Beta Stryker
Yet Another Holding Corporation
#24 - 2012-08-19 07:46:10 UTC
Nya0 wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:
Kimerra wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:


You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.


So?


This is over a two week period with give or a take a few days off.

Cap escalations will make 750 mil per site with 28 sleeper battleships.

By looking at the graphs Power of Two does 3 sites on average a day.

Doing math they generate around 20 billion isk in that one system in that 2 weeks they spent. They have many systems around they can generate lots of isk from farming.

Adding to the fact that Power of Two are associated with Russian groups such as R.O.L., who have been under heavy attack by CCP's anti-RMT.

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/04/18/red-overlord-leader-and-accounts-banned-for-rmt-charges/


For a big ish high end wh alliance, earning around 100 bil every few weeks is pretty normal. You need more than that to accuse them of RMT.


I'm confused here too. You're accusing a large group of illegitamite things because they make lots of ISK in high-end WHs? Isn't that sort of the point? Do it right, make money....

Maybe I missed the rule where CCP dictates how ppl run their anamoly sites?
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-08-19 07:49:27 UTC
Black Cheri wrote:

" they use the leashing method to clear sites thus avoiding all the nuets and scrams of the sleeper guardains, and making the sites far easier ...'

by Corbexx

Can You please explain the Leashing Method ... have not heard it mentioned before ? Thanks.

Black


You basically extend the grid of the site you want to do to around 400km by warping in pods or zyphers, then you warp your caps in at that range. the sleeper bs will only come out to 250 km and then hit a invisible wall where they bounce go back and forward a bit. making it very easy to kill them with dreads. It also stops them from nueting and pointing you as they dont get in range to do that

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-08-19 08:06:40 UTC
Beta Stryker wrote:
Nya0 wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:
Kimerra wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:


You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.


So?


This is over a two week period with give or a take a few days off.

Cap escalations will make 750 mil per site with 28 sleeper battleships.

By looking at the graphs Power of Two does 3 sites on average a day.

Doing math they generate around 20 billion isk in that one system in that 2 weeks they spent. They have many systems around they can generate lots of isk from farming.

Adding to the fact that Power of Two are associated with Russian groups such as R.O.L., who have been under heavy attack by CCP's anti-RMT.

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/04/18/red-overlord-leader-and-accounts-banned-for-rmt-charges/


For a big ish high end wh alliance, earning around 100 bil every few weeks is pretty normal. You need more than that to accuse them of RMT.


I'm confused here too. You're accusing a large group of illegitamite things because they make lots of ISK in high-end WHs? Isn't that sort of the point? Do it right, make money....

Maybe I missed the rule where CCP dictates how ppl run their anamoly sites?


You forget who these large groups are associated with and who the members of composed. PoT's largest corporation is control by a CEO that was a part ROL, which had several members and even the leader banned due to ties with RMT.

When they get attacked, they pretty much call several Russian Nullsec alliances to come and save them.

Why would a sov holding nullsec alliance come into WH space to help a group not part of their alliance?

What do they gain from defending some people living in space not connected to them?

The most sensible conclusion is that these alliances have accesses to Tech 3 ships and have an isk printing system which they use to supply RMT trade.

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 Kahlil Gibran
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-08-19 08:32:37 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:

When they get attacked, they pretty much call several Russian Nullsec alliances to come and save them.

Why would a sov holding nullsec alliance come into WH space to help a group not part of their alliance?


This isnt exactly true either, last time we attacked them and they did batphone just about everyone the major people helping where, Starbridge, W-space, UNKOWN, TPT and some white noise (10 to 15) although at the time white noise had just lost all there space to the goons, there may have been a couple others from token null secs groups but it certainly wasntt null sec russians who saved them.

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#28 - 2012-08-19 08:51:24 UTC
Guys guys! There is a secret the big evil alliances do not want you to know!

Tinfoil does not work! Make your hats out of chicken net!
Kimerra
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-08-19 08:57:03 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:


What do they gain from defending some people living in space not connected to them?


because of FUN.
or it does not fit into your mind?
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-08-19 08:59:25 UTC
Kimerra wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:


What do they gain from defending some people living in space not connected to them?


because of FUN.
or it does not fit into your mind?


You seem very outspoken about this I see.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran
Steelworks II
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-08-19 09:02:47 UTC
corbexx wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:

When they get attacked, they pretty much call several Russian Nullsec alliances to come and save them.

Why would a sov holding nullsec alliance come into WH space to help a group not part of their alliance?


This isnt exactly true either, last time we attacked them and they did batphone just about everyone the major people helping where, Starbridge, W-space, UNKOWN, TPT and some white noise (10 to 15) although at the time white noise had just lost all there space to the goons, there may have been a couple others from token null secs groups but it certainly wasntt null sec russians who saved them.

UNKNOWN were there to return the debt of blood for two dreads, which PO2 lost in the attack of Narwhals Ate My Duck.
We felt guilty for their loss and, because of this, responded to the request for help.
I think, Starbridge, TPT and W-Space were there for the same reason.
MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-08-19 09:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: MisterAl tt1
Steel, we actually attacked AQUILA. But lost those dreads to others like mentioned Narwals.

TS is a nice troll. Like expected, he is currently trying to connect whom he claims to be RMT with other Russian-speaking WH entities. How predictable. Next thing expected is TS telling we are all RMT or something and we all have to be evicted, which makes this thread looking like an "artilery preparation" for yet another "let's evict all Russians" campaign, as the start of a new gaming season is near.

TS, post with your main, "show us your ugly face".
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-08-19 09:53:47 UTC
MisterAl tt1 wrote:
Steel, we actually attacked AQUILA. But lost those dreads to others like mentioned Narwals.

TS is a nice troll. Like expected, he is currently trying to connect whom he claims to be RMT with other Russian-speaking WH entities. How predictable. Next thing expected is TS telling we are all RMT or something and we all have to be evicted, which makes this thread looking like an "artilery preparation" for yet another "let's evict all Russians" campaign, as the start of a new gaming season is near.

TS, post with your main, "show us your ugly face".


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 Kahlil Gibran
MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-08-19 09:59:43 UTC  |  Edited by: MisterAl tt1
People hiding their faces "representing the truth", ha-ha.

Anyway, will there be proofs of RMT, or is it all your imagination? So far there is only proof of active farming, which is known for everyone, and the "connection with ROL" of the same kind I can give proofs of TPT while being in PO2 alliance actually helped AHARM in CCRES eviction. Does it make them "connected" ? I doubt.

I wonder is there a forum rule about blackmailing? At eve-ru you have to back such accusations with real proofs.

The best proof is someone banned, in this case I'd say "oh, how nice".
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-08-19 10:17:35 UTC
MisterAl tt1 wrote:
People hiding their faces "representing the truth", ha-ha.

Anyway, will there be proofs of RMT, or is it all your imagination? So far there is only proof of active farming, which is known for everyone, and the "connection with ROL" of the same kind I can give proofs of TPT while being in PO2 alliance actually helped AHARM in CCRES eviction. Does it make them "connected" ? I doubt.

I wonder is there a forum rule about blackmailing? At eve-ru you have to back such accusations with real proofs.

The best proof is someone banned, in this case I'd say "oh, how nice".



Ah I see it now, is that what it is to you? Blackmail?

Why do you defend them so fiercely? Have I specifically said all russians are RMT's and farmers?

Have I personally attacked your group?

It seems you are taking this rather personally.

Did I hit a sensitive spot?

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran
MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-08-19 10:22:41 UTC  |  Edited by: MisterAl tt1
Proofs, my friend, where are any?

I know the drill, seen it many times - first you start yelling at every corner "this and those are RMTers", without any proofs, for sure. Then it comes to "they are all bad" then to "they are all to be evicted". So I prefer to step in from the start, and you are already starting to follow the pattern.

So will there be any proofs, or your speculations only?
TOJICTOTA
True Power Team
#37 - 2012-08-19 11:14:53 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
I find it amusing that when I speak about Power of Two and True Power Team and RMT, its not PoT nor TPT that comes.

I m here my little fat troll from royal amarr institute of facepalm. I just want to laugh, so feel free to ask questions.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#38 - 2012-08-19 11:21:06 UTC
*notices that OP does not post with his main*

*stops giving a **** about anything he has to say*

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Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#39 - 2012-08-20 07:23:24 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
*notices that OP does not post with his main*

*stops giving a **** about anything he has to say*

yep, why anyone (me included) spend time actually reading this is beyond me.

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Abdul Secheh
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-08-20 08:25:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul Secheh
M8's, telling that all russians are RMT'ers is like telling that all russians are alcoholics Big smile
none of isk farmed in 222604 were RMT'ed, i guarantee.

one proof, only for example: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1816178#post1816178
other proofs you will soon find on killboard, in "losses" section.

i think topic can be closed.