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Cleansing Isk Farmers from WH Space

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Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-08-18 09:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashera Yune
Its no secret that Power of Two, True Power Team, along with many other groups have been using Wormhole space as a means of supplying their RMT and isk laundering.

I believe things will end badly for the rest of wormhole space if illegitimate groups like these continue to Farm Wormholes and cause CCP to step in; creating changes that will damage wormhole space.

I realize that there is no possible way to completely stop them from doing this, but there must be someways to make it very difficult to conduct their business without interruption.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran

Gauis Scipii
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-18 10:01:36 UTC
You can try POS bashing them but they will cry and complain their allies for help. You just have to make them log off as much as possibe but most of the time they will complain to someone and try to bring in help.
Calsys
Monks of War
#3 - 2012-08-18 11:42:40 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
Its no secret that Power of Two, True Power Team, along with many other groups have been using Wormhole space as a means of supplying their RMT and isk laundering. .

proof or GTFO
Fudge Sinful
Ricoh Innovations
#4 - 2012-08-18 15:20:42 UTC
I highly doubt the amount of isk being generated by RMT'ers in Whiskey Space compares to that generated by nullsec mining bots and highsec mission running bots. I can't imagine that their presence is pervasive enough to require a serious effort to eliminate or hinder them, though it would be nice to introduce such organizations to the Friendly Aggression Pact....or in this case, would it be the un-Friendly Aggression Pact? Straight
KOHTEP
R.I.P. Legion
Fanatic Legion.
#5 - 2012-08-18 16:04:10 UTC
As there`s still no proves of RMT`ing in po2 or TPT ( which btw was PVP-based corporation, while had enough members for it)
i suppose that this noname from npc corp is just a troll.
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#6 - 2012-08-18 17:07:53 UTC
KOHTEP wrote:
As there`s still no proves of RMT`ing in po2 or TPT ( which btw was PVP-based corporation, while had enough members for it)
i suppose that this noname from npc corp is just a troll.


I am confirming the named russian corps are indeed RMTers. They even partook in the blob of 400 tengus trying to evict us from wspace for what they said was a ~good fight~ they were expecting from 10 guys on defense. Retards.
Kimerra
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-18 17:52:44 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
I am confirming the named russian corps are indeed RMTers. They even partook in the blob of 400 tengus trying to evict us from wspace for what they said was a ~good fight~ they were expecting from 10 guys on defense. Retards.


Calsys wrote:

proof or GTFO

Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#8 - 2012-08-18 18:52:13 UTC
*popcorn.gif*

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-08-18 18:52:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashera Yune
Power of Two Wormhole: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/J222604/stats/2012-08-04:2012-08-18

http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=7921

You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran

Kimerra
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-08-18 18:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimerra
Ashera Yune wrote:


You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.


So?

add: Your "cause-and-effect" work properly?
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-08-18 19:08:41 UTC
Kimerra wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:


You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.


So?


This is over a two week period with give or a take a few days off.

Cap escalations will make 750 mil per site with 28 sleeper battleships.

By looking at the graphs Power of Two does 3 sites on average a day.

Doing math they generate around 20 billion isk in that one system in that 2 weeks they spent. They have many systems around they can generate lots of isk from farming.

Adding to the fact that Power of Two are associated with Russian groups such as R.O.L., who have been under heavy attack by CCP's anti-RMT.

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/04/18/red-overlord-leader-and-accounts-banned-for-rmt-charges/

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran

Nya0
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#12 - 2012-08-18 19:43:06 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
Kimerra wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:


You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.


So?


This is over a two week period with give or a take a few days off.

Cap escalations will make 750 mil per site with 28 sleeper battleships.

By looking at the graphs Power of Two does 3 sites on average a day.

Doing math they generate around 20 billion isk in that one system in that 2 weeks they spent. They have many systems around they can generate lots of isk from farming.

Adding to the fact that Power of Two are associated with Russian groups such as R.O.L., who have been under heavy attack by CCP's anti-RMT.

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/04/18/red-overlord-leader-and-accounts-banned-for-rmt-charges/


For a big ish high end wh alliance, earning around 100 bil every few weeks is pretty normal. You need more than that to accuse them of RMT.
MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-08-18 20:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: MisterAl tt1
Messoroz wrote:

I am confirming the named russian corps are indeed RMTers. They even partook in the blob of 400 tengus trying to evict us from wspace for what they said was a ~good fight~ they were expecting from 10 guys on defense. Retards.

Meaning: "They brought 2 dreads to that OP - they are RMTers!" Oh, btw, it is 400 tengus already? ROFL, we grow with time.

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Adding to the fact that Power of Two are associated with Russian groups such as R.O.L
Proof? I can, for example, give proofs of mentioned True Power Team flying together with one prominent WH entity once (which I suppose the TS is from), does it make them "associated" ?

You have proofs of them RMTing - go to CCP so that they ban those, and I'd thank you. For now - it is just trolling in attempt to blackmail all the russian-speaking wormhole community through several representatives of it (I'd expect this topic going down to "all russians are bastards" way).
Kimerra
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-08-18 20:36:50 UTC
MisterAl tt1 wrote:
(I'd expect this topic going down to "all russians are bastards" way).


like this http://imgur.com/a/oUUXy#66
thank's to Вritish FW-corp for this creative poster
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-08-18 21:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: corbexx
i wasnt going to bother posting but some things are worth saying

Kimerra wrote:
MisterAl tt1 wrote:
(I'd expect this topic going down to "all russians are bastards" way).


like this http://imgur.com/a/oUUXy#66
thank's to Вritish FW-corp for this creative poster


first that fw not wh space. its also worth mentioning that when aaa hit yoru wh just who came to help, because after exhale and you jumped aaa and they set another tower up you dint have us tz coverage misteral came to me asking for help which i said we'd sort which later lead to 17 alliances 31 different corps coming in to help (most of them non russian)

most wh corps really dont care about nationality but more about people who fight, this is one thing po2 dont really do (although they will happily bat phone when people come in)

as for po2 while i havent checked recently i know just before fanfest had 7 or 8 systems from them in 1 month they made roughly 320billion in blue books not including salvage. they accounted for 3% of all sleeper kills in wh space for that month

It probably doesnt help that they use the leashing method to clear sites thus avoiding all the nuets and scrams of the sleeper guardains, and making the sites far easier (although they certainly arent the only ones doing this we have seen alot of other use this method, and before you say ooh now your saying all russians use this i'm not we attually seen a fair few none russian groups use it although how to do it is on your ru forms)

iI havent bothered to check links recently although when i did 9 or 10 months ago i didnt really find any links to ROL although several founding members of some of there corps were at the time officers in AAA (i doubt they are farming for aaa as they already have there own wh group)

are they rmt'ers i havent a clue, i personally think its a null sec farming alt group.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#16 - 2012-08-18 21:31:02 UTC
Posting in a "Russians are bad" thread...Roll

No trolling please

Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#17 - 2012-08-18 22:07:14 UTC
Pointing and shouting "isk farmer!" is a far cry from actual proof. If you had any, i'd assume you'd have sent it to CCP already, rather than making a whine-thread.

If there was an easy way to identify and elliminate botters and isk-farmers, then it would have been done by now.

As usual, the ultimate solution is in the hands of the community. Generally, in the form of any suspected farmers exploding! Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Van Slyke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-08-18 22:43:44 UTC
We gank them on sight.

(But then again, we do that to anyone we see before they see us...)
SpaceSavage
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-08-18 23:09:40 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSavage
corbexx wrote:
i wasnt going to bother posting but some things are worth saying


confirm this, we open into quite handful farming system owned by nullsec alliances, most of them only active when the server is deserted, to farm sleepers sites only, around 5,6 hrs before dt.

the only one who is willing to fight is TEST.

@OP: there's nothing we can do to stop them, they follow the rules, isk farming isnt against the law
As the red circle guy says, only thing we can do is gank their cap fleet whenever you see it.
Eviction isn't an option because they'll just set up another hole
I don't know about RMT so no comment
Ayeson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-08-18 23:40:08 UTC
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