Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi folks,

This is my first post and I hope you will make allowances for this. I was not sure where to post this item, so put it in as a petition only to find out that was inappropriate and it was suggested I post on this forum. I hope I'm not merely duplicating someone else's ideas!

"Please can CCP tell us poor guys that actually play the game whether any future modification will destroy the value of any of our investments, whether they be investments in time (i.e. skills) or ISKies (i.e Rigs).

Rigs cannot be removed without destroying them in the process, yet CCP are happy to destroy the value of fitted rigs (i.e. Cargo rigs fitted to Mining ships that are now pointless) without recompense.

If it is too much to expect CCP to appropriately recompense pilots for these changes can we at least beg that in future fair warning will be given?

It would also be useful for CCP to come out in the open and admit that the game is primarily run (and subsequently amended) for the those that prefer nullsec activities to the less taxing sort. The last I heard highsec pilots still pay the same for PLEX but seem to be taken for granted and treated with contempt.

I know several pilots that are feeling more and more like game birds, bred only for shooting (or otherwise exploiting)."

This is not a knee-jerk, heat of the moment post. Believe it or not I have actually thought this through before posting.

Regards to all.

That is correct, but the point remains that the effect of the rigs that people fitted to their ships was not just "tweeked" but pretty much eliminated.

I would think it is pretty obvious that the intent of increasing the capacity of a mining ship's hold was clearly to increase the amount of ore held, not the amount of other stuff. By changing the ship, as you correctly state, they might think that they can weasel their way out by that reasoning. I think that an objective view of optimum mining fits before and after the changes would be very interesting - and very predictable.

Consider if shield rig bonuses were, due to "ship redesign", applied to the hull instead of the shield (a limited comparison, but have some patience, please!). The argument could be made that it still applies to ship hit points, right? That would be "weasonable" but not reasonable (sorry about the over-use of weasels in this post). Low sec pilots would certainly object to that sort of change!

Thanks for the input though.

Really?!?!? Doh!

Could you tell me which type of petition I need to send? Please?

However, even if this works out nicely the questions still remain - Why were players not warned beforehand or told afterwards? Why was this not done automatically? Relying on knowing about the petition avenue of redress is a pretty poor way of compensating pilots. How many pilots do not use the forums? How many pilots do not use or understand petitions?

CCP could easily have Eve-mailed all those pilots concerned and provided them with an easy method for being compensated. That they haven't done this implies either poor planning or, as I fear, another example of CCP assuming that the only players that matter are the long time players and/or non-miners.

Thanks very much for the input!

Wait, u want ccp to evemail everyone... Half the people I p,au with don't even check their evemails. As for compensation, see my previous post

https://support.eveonline.com/Pages/Petitions/CreatePetition.aspx
Use the category Game play, sub category assets and items

These things happen. Stay up to date with things (by skimming through the DEV blogs every so often)... which isn't such a hard thing to do when you are MINING. Especially when such info is talked about well in advance (the DEV blog on the intended changes to barges came out 2 or 3 months ago).

As to your gripe about not being compensated for alterations to the game...

- when the Faction Warfare changes went into effect, many pilots that didn't keep up to date with the DEV blogs or talk to other militia peers found themselves locked out of the stations they kept stuff in. No compensation or help was given.

- when Supercarriers were nerfed so that they could not use any drones other than fighters and fighter bombers, making them vulnerable to small ships and pretty much taking away all the versatility that Scarrer pilots were used to... no compensation was given.

- when Titans were nerfed so that they could not doomsday subcapitals.... had their capital weapon tracking cut down... their targeting speed reduced to near nothing... no compensation was given.

- When SOV was redone years ago to require SOV units and ISK to pay for upgrades and system upkeep... and people didn't pay any attention to those things until the patch came into effect...and people found themselves without SOV and locked out of their homes and stuff... no compensation was given.


Again... it happens to all of us. Suck it up.

What is preventing you from reading the dev-blogs? What do you want CCP to do exactly? The change did not come out of nowhere, they spoke about it in advance. If you don't read the devblog, why would you read more any new kind of "communication" they will come up with?

You don't have to follow the website or read forums to be up to date with the changes. You can read the devblogs and news at the character selection screen. But I agree it would be nice to see the patch notes on the launcher.

The question isn't "should they have an advantage?", the question is "why shouldn't they?".

This. It's the way the cookie crumbles.