Wormholes

I'm actually more interested in how the dreads survive. I mean, with a single repper they can only tank ~7000dps, which is two sleeper waves, and the dreads don't have cap to perma run the repper if you're max gank fitting them.

Hmm, maybe I've been overestimating the amount of tracking actually required (I would have only allowed two slots for tank in the mids).

Still not entirely sold on that being able to survive even half dps and half neuts for 10 minutes. I guess I'll just take it at face value though.

I have lost Huggins and Rapiers to single waves of cap escalations. It only happened twice, and it required a bunch of things to line up, but they do get alpha'd.

With the complete removal of passive shield compensations applying to offline invuls, I'd be VERY reluctant to fly a shield-fit huggin/rapier in a site. Especially since I've now done it with 2 Archons, 2 Revelations and a loki.

A 10 slot shield tank on a Rapier gets you only 50,000 (65k w/ links) eHP. It also leaves you with only one web and one paint. You get a similar tank on the Huggin.
Meanwhile the Loki we were using was pushing 300k WITHOUT the Wolf-Rayet effect of our hole, and without implants. Add implants and a c5 WR effect and your EHP jumps up to 500k and you still have 5 mids for webs/paints. Did I mention half the sig radius?

Doing it with a shield fleet is possible... but its just so much easier with an armour fleet. You can warp the whole fleet in at once, tank it all like a boss and still blap the whole thing in 20 minutes.

Great guide.

Have to admit I'd forgotten that stopping shooting in a dread often results in the sleepers losing interest in you - as the times I've ran a dread I've been able to brawl right through the site. They are evil tho and the one time you really really need them to stop shooting you they will just keep shooting you regardless :S

Had a look at the moros fit but you were obviously refitting that during the fight for various different purposes so hard to get an idea of the original fit.

This for sure.

The shield buffer is more than enough if you run the sites per the game plan. If you're running low on shields you've done something wrong. As far as the moros fit - I wasn't refitting. I keep the armor repper fitted on the shield buffered moros. If I could fit an armor repper in cargo and throw another mag stab in the lows I would - I can't, so I have a shield moros w/ an armor repper fitted just in case I refit to armor. I got some crap for trying to dual tank a moros, and I guess maybe I am in a way, but it's more of a cargo space issue than a desire to shield/armor tank it.

As far as the loss - it's a long story w/ a lot of bad on my part. I'll just say my judgement isn't the best when I get home from a midnight shift. The guys that got us were playing heads up and I was feeding them caps in series. No excuses though, they were great and I'm sure I'm way up on their favorites list as well.

The first time I ran sites in HID and they did a quad escallation by warping everything in at once I was thinking it was crazy, but it's not. As far as that goes - c5 and even more in c6 the wh bonus plays big. Shield buffer caps in our wh don't really sweat sleeper aggro (shield AND cap bonus). Mag sites - you need to pay attention, but regular anoms are routine once you get the routine down (Yogi Berra??) I recommend you play around with your wh bonus and see what you can get away with. Play around with different modules and warp in 'routines' and see how the sleepers react to what you do. You can't train them to do what you want, but it's not that hard to figure out what they do under various conditions.

Try throwing just one faction BS into the escallationl. Sleepers love them! Put you carrier reps on the bhaal and go make a sandwitch! Try stuff until you get things where you want them. Keep messing around until you get what you want. Maybe try an abso with a gang link and a jammer. Let it sit idle then light up the gang link and start trying to jam the sleeps. It's a game - play around a bit.

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hi mates, i would like to know if is it possible run sites wtih 1 carrier(triage t2) 1 revelation 1 webber and 1 bs (for kill cruisers and frigates)

Aslong as your carrier is well fit (and how easy it is depends a bit on system effects) then it comes down to luck of the draw how much any one dread gets primaried. In theory it should be rare that all 3 waves went for one dread and if they did it can probably stop shooting which usually results in them switching targets.

Keeping well fit lokis alive should be trivial, keeping them capped up might be a little harder but probably nothing that can't be managed.


EDIT: I think largely tho it will depend on the quality of your pilots - its likely to get hairy but if people stay calm its manageable if people lose their heads you'll likely have a cascading welp of the fleet.

You can warp in 1 loki, 1 archon, and 2 moroses into a C5 site all at one time and not die. Just be prepared to potentially either have to triage your archon, or refit one of your dreads for more tank. Biggest issue isn't really the sleeper dps, but rather neuts, so just have cap boosters with you if **** goes really bad so you can desiege, refit to 5 heavy cap boosters and just perma boost and rep as you come out siege and eventually let the archon rep/cap you. You have to be on the ball with killing sleepers as you definitely are on a timeline in terms of how much cap your dreads have, but it is possible to finish the site in 5 minutes this way.

Source: I've done this.

Edit: I wouldn't do this in an oruze or quarantine area since the chance of your dreads getting neuted is significantly higher since the sleepers will be in range quickly. For the core garrisons and strongholds, if you burn your loki(s) out a little bit closer to the sleepless guardians at the start, in my experience the loki ends up keeping the neuts on it the whole time (which is good).

Edit 2: If it's not obvious, I also was using legion links.

It really isnt.
Warping in 3 caps and a Loki all at once is FAR riskier than just 2 caps and the loki. Yes, it is possible but it isnt worth doing.

If you follow my instructions, the dread being primaried is not an issue. In fact, it will almost always be primary for most of the site.