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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#21 - 2012-08-29 16:50:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Not really gonna hit T3s or guardians with dread guns without 90% webs once they get under the guns - even a bhaal with 3 regular webs on it is fairly much immune if it can get inside ~1km - unless your refitting on the carrier for tracking, etc. as needed and even then you won't hit T3s that orbit close.

A well fit carrier + loki + dread can put up a pretty good fight if your prepared but you probably want to stash a tanked vigilant or something in the carrier if your planning to put up a fight if caught in site.
M Thomas
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#22 - 2012-08-29 17:43:52 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
EDIT: Oh yea, what do you do when running a quarantine area? Do you just not shoot any of the initial spawn and just fit like 50 million warp core stabs to the dread and loki and hope they don't point the carrier at the end? Supposedly the site triggers are random, which is why I ask. In my experience, I've been able to kill all the stuff that points you without the site ever spawning a new wave, (which is around 10+ seperate sites, since I assume the trigger is the same in an individual site when doing capital escalation farming).


Fitting warp core stabs on dreads is highly recommended actually.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-08-30 06:55:48 UTC
Im not going to go over PVP safety tips in this thread, you'll figure it out ;)

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#24 - 2012-08-31 07:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
Well, my game plan is the same as this guy's game plan was:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14489196

Seems to have worked out pretty well, lol. But honestly, that's really embarrassing.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-08-31 10:06:27 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Well, my game plan is the same as this guy's game plan was:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14489196
Seems to have worked out pretty well, lol. But honestly, that's really embarrassing.


i loled, hard :P
seriously tho, if you get jumped by anyone who knows what they are doing youre going to die and lose all your ships.

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#26 - 2012-08-31 14:45:41 UTC
Yea of course. But honestly with the amount of isk you can make, it doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't happen more than like once a week.

Not really a whole lot you can do if you get unlucky and somebody who knows what they're doing opens up a WH into your WH right after you start a site--pretty much impossible to extract yourself after you've committed to a site. But if somebody who is **** comes in, man it would feel good to annihilate a BS fleet with just a moros, loki, and archon.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#27 - 2012-09-05 22:41:01 UTC
Thanks alot Mr. Miton for this in depth insight! Now I got some new goals in Eve Bear

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Mohamad Transporte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-09-06 12:35:42 UTC
am not a wh guy.. however, out of curiosity... what happens if the triage carrier, lets say, dc'ede ... ? Twisted
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-09-06 19:25:38 UTC
Mohamad Transporte wrote:
am not a wh guy.. however, out of curiosity... what happens if the triage carrier, lets say, dc'ede ... ? Twisted


it will likely die if it takes more than ~5min to reconnect.

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Matuk Grymwal
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2012-09-07 03:12:18 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Mohamad Transporte wrote:
am not a wh guy.. however, out of curiosity... what happens if the triage carrier, lets say, dc'ede ... ? Twisted


it will likely die if it takes more than ~5min to reconnect.
A high skilled, properly fit archon won't need triage, and can perma run everything it needs. So it's actually pretty hard for the Archon itself to die. What does die is the loki, followed by the dreads who now can't track the sleepers due to a lack of webs.
Master Zeus
Nexus Executor
#31 - 2012-09-26 08:23:00 UTC
Any possibility to get some advice on the "right fittings" for this type of venture?
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#32 - 2012-09-26 14:43:03 UTC
Blap fitted Moros(es), super tanked loki with 3 webs and 2 TP's, Archon with 2 cap transfers, 2 armor reps and a triage module (in case, you shouldn't use it normally obviously), 2 self reps, 1 or 2 resist mods, rest is faction cprs/cap rechargers.

Just eft it, not super difficult or unobvious. In my experience tracking>more dps on the moros though.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-09-26 15:39:51 UTC
loki should be armor fit (obviously) with decent buffer, 3 webs, 2 TP, and fit 220's (to swat the frigs). It should also stay fairly close to the archon (no more than 5km) so that way you don't draw things out of the range of the moros. The loki will also be primary much of the time, with the dread being the other primary. Don't really need to worry about the carrier too much.

Carrier its best to fit 2 local reps, 2 EANM's, rest cap. Rarely will you need to run both local reps - they are solely there for "oh ****", and this can work almost as well with a thanatos as with an archon (in case you were foolish like me and trained gallente carrier 5 during a bout of not much playing/were training for a nyx and can't be bothered to be smart and re-train for archon). Highs should be 2 reps, 1 cap transfer, 1 triage (even if you don't need it), with 1 free slot for cap transfer/armor rep/shield rep of your choice, though this really depends upon how many "hangers on" come in as well to get paid for doing not much work :P. But since they're corpies, they should also be friends, so its all good and you will want to keep them alive anyways.

Moros should be fitted with blasters (preferably meta), seige mod (preferably t2 - the damage bonus is nice, but the best part is locking 3 damn targets), 2 sebo's to lock targets sometime today, 3 tracking computers, 1 capital rep, 3 damage mods, 3 cap rigs (recharge or amount), and the last 3 lows should be either 2 EANM's 1 DCU or 3 TE - keep both in cargo hold, switch as needed. Also keep 5 cap recharges and 6 cap power relays in cargo to switch as needed. Note, you should always be within refit range of the carrier, so there should be no problem swapping mods, so carry them anyways, and learn to use them right. If you do it right, you can sometimes do sites without sleepers ever finishing off your untanked shields. Also, for the love of god, make sure that you stop your ship BEFORE sieging... if you seige you will still be moving 5 min later when you finally come out...

-Arazel
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-09-27 05:15:52 UTC
I have added recommended fits to the reserved post.

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Ryanis
Let just Hide Us
#35 - 2012-10-04 11:16:54 UTC
Taking some warp core stabs to refit with the archon and flights of ECM drones couls help if you need an emergency warp.
Longinius Spear
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
#36 - 2012-11-15 18:54:22 UTC
AWESOME write up Jack.

This gives small corps like mine a clear goal we can head our characters on the PVE side of things.

WHs are a mix of PVE and PVP, the less time we need to spend making is, is more the time we can spend blowing it up.

Read more of my ramblings on my blog www.invadingyourhole.blogspot.com
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#37 - 2012-11-15 19:55:42 UTC
Semi-sticky this thread somehow?

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#38 - 2012-11-16 04:37:26 UTC
Does anyone ahve a link handy to the BS guide Jack mentions a few times in this thread? I've tried searching with no luck.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-11-16 18:24:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Paikis wrote:
Does anyone ahve a link handy to the BS guide Jack mentions a few times in this thread? I've tried searching with no luck.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1808468#post1808468

Ive added it to the OP to cos ive been asked a few times.

EDIT: NFI why it's locked... feel free to ask questions here, or just mail me.

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Derath Ellecon
ATRAX.
Shadow Cartel
#40 - 2012-11-16 18:49:15 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Paikis wrote:
Does anyone ahve a link handy to the BS guide Jack mentions a few times in this thread? I've tried searching with no luck.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1808468#post1808468

Ive added it to the OP to cos ive been asked a few times.

EDIT: NFI why it's locked... feel free to ask questions here, or just mail me.


Cause it's old. If posts don't get a reply within a certain time limit they auto lock these days.