EVE General Discussion

And those who have and known to have definitely exploited this are still playing....
Are we to take this to mean it is now okay to "hack" local.
Contradictory rule is contradictory.

Wait, both links point to the same notification. So is it in effect or not?

A quote from GM Karidor

"9) Can baiting in newbie systems
This is explicitly listed here. Also see this list of what we consider "Rookie Systems"."

Maintaining the links is beyond my competence, but this is a lie.

The reason why I say that is that I started a new character on 03/16/2011. While going through tutorials I petitioned a player for rookie baiting. He thought that was funny. So do I now.

No tears of rage here. I knew better than to do anything except look inside the can.

Maybe tears of frustration, though.

The response to the petition was that I should stop petitioning this kind of incident. I thought then that it might not have been a real 'rookie system' so I asked for a definition. It was 6 months ago, so I don't remember the exact response, but it was something along the lines of "That information is not available to you."

Sorry for the negativism, but this has been eating at me for . . . 6 months.

I can't think of a better way to antagonize a playerbase than invisible rules.

just ask the question about the one thing that list you actually care about

is it corp hopping?

nice approach hiding your beef in a list, but it doesn't always work, just like hiding high value cargo in a load of junk

wtf... wrong thread

Yeah but that rule has been in place for as long as I can remember.

It's pretty much the only thing CCP explicitly considers griefing.

Yeah but at the same time they want people to at least be able to do their tutorials in peace and not just leave the game because they can't even learn the basics without being harassed. This game like any other needs subscribers too.

On rookie can baiting from the EULA, (Last paragraph) from http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336
No mention of ganking, but I'm curious about that as well in all honesty.

Grief play
What is grief play?
Griefing
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.

This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.

An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.

My understanding is that only can baiting is out of bounds.

And really, I don't see the harm in letting them at least learn the rules of the game before you start proving how superior you are.

Now if they ignore the tutorials and/or skip the parts about what gives you a criminal flag and head out into the vast unknown to "max out their level in record time just like all those other games he's an ace at" then more power to you.

Grief play is defined differently in EVE than in other games. Basically it means singling out a specific character without justification and without giving any means of relief. I.E. if you don't give him any terms of surrender and just want to blow him up over and over again for no reason.

Goons target RANDOMLY, so does not constitute "grief play". Also, war decs do not constitute "grief play" because they generally give you a means of relief - pay the ransom and the war goes away. Likewise if you annoy someone, they may decide to attack you as part of a vendetta - this is ALSO not considered grief play, because it is not done without cause.

as I understand it youre only griefing in the regular game if you target one guy over an over. The Goons dont do this unless theyre a bot (but Mittens says every ice miner is...) anyhoo...
its just funny that you can grief someone in a starter area that if the person said ANYTHING about it later on n the game they'd get ripped a new one for saying anything lol