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What is the point of a bounty when a friend/corp mate can pod them and take the isk?

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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#21 - 2012-08-17 22:51:01 UTC
Beachura wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Greetings,

I am looking to get rid of my bounty in a 50/50 business deal.

I reside in a small remote village in the Peruvian mountains and due to being poor my computer only has a 125mb Graphics Card so I am unable to run two clients.

My lack of Engrish and fellow Peruvians playing Eve means I have no friends to halp me.

I wish to branch out horizons and start region trading so I am happy to help another capsuleer get some nice intersteller kredits in their back burner under the right circumstances.

Read Bio to see terms, Convo me in game and together we can prosper.

Trust works both ways so please pretend jockeys hold your tongues - you must have legitimate intentions.

So get your spurs and 10 gallon hat on today and come saddle up n' yee haw mount the steed why dont you Big smile



Hey kid, in between posting complete nonsense on these forums do you actually do anything else with your life?

You still mad at that time I made you cry in Amarr local ? Guess you are lol.

Concord Approved Trader

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-08-17 23:16:12 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Beachura wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Greetings,

I am looking to get rid of my bounty in a 50/50 business deal.

I reside in a small remote village in the Peruvian mountains and due to being poor my computer only has a 125mb Graphics Card so I am unable to run two clients.

My lack of Engrish and fellow Peruvians playing Eve means I have no friends to halp me.

I wish to branch out horizons and start region trading so I am happy to help another capsuleer get some nice intersteller kredits in their back burner under the right circumstances.

Read Bio to see terms, Convo me in game and together we can prosper.

Trust works both ways so please pretend jockeys hold your tongues - you must have legitimate intentions.

So get your spurs and 10 gallon hat on today and come saddle up n' yee haw mount the steed why dont you Big smile



Hey kid, in between posting complete nonsense on these forums do you actually do anything else with your life?

You still mad at that time I made you cry in Amarr local ? Guess you are lol.


I demand a story! Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-08-18 10:53:44 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Beachura wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
Greetings,

I am looking to get rid of my bounty in a 50/50 business deal.

I reside in a small remote village in the Peruvian mountains and due to being poor my computer only has a 125mb Graphics Card so I am unable to run two clients.

My lack of Engrish and fellow Peruvians playing Eve means I have no friends to halp me.

I wish to branch out horizons and start region trading so I am happy to help another capsuleer get some nice intersteller kredits in their back burner under the right circumstances.

Read Bio to see terms, Convo me in game and together we can prosper.

Trust works both ways so please pretend jockeys hold your tongues - you must have legitimate intentions.

So get your spurs and 10 gallon hat on today and come saddle up n' yee haw mount the steed why dont you Big smile



Hey kid, in between posting complete nonsense on these forums do you actually do anything else with your life?

You still mad at that time I made you cry in Amarr local ? Guess you are lol.


I demand a story! Big smile


and I want to see the spanish text, it was translated from, especially this
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:

So get your spurs and 10 gallon hat on today and come saddle up n' yee haw mount the steed why dont you Big smile

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#24 - 2012-08-18 15:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
I have considered many alternatives to the current bounty system.

However, I keep getting distracted by Boom Boom Longtime's offer to split her bounty.

I don't have any time this weekend to accept his offer, so maybe someone else will.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#25 - 2012-08-18 19:41:17 UTC
Funnily enough I said yesterday in game that karma would go full circle and bite me in the ass one day.

Woke up today with a hangover and discovered water cooler in pc had leaked derping just about everything.

The mobo, 2 GTX 580s and the PSU certainly got a nice bath.

I wont deny there was plenty of tears.

So unfortunately, Amarr local is going to be quietier than usual this weekend and I cant do any business Sad

Concord Approved Trader

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#26 - 2012-08-18 22:10:20 UTC
That is terrible! Whatever you did to deserve that bounty, you are right, it has come back on you.

However now that your karma has been reset, perhaps you can entertain the idea of allowing one lucky soul to reserve the rights to pod kill you upon your return. I do believe you can check your isk balance and emails right here on the forum at the top right.

Once you accept a deposit and fulfill on your promise, then you will be back in positive karma and can focus yet again on your station trading!

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-08-18 22:44:49 UTC
energypills wrote:
Sure this has been brought up before, but since I've never tried to hunt someone with one - I have to ask.

Why would a bounty matter when their corp mates can pod them and re-distribute the isk between one another?

Is that not how it pretty much goes already? I mean it seems like a complete joke. You would essentially be GIVING that isk to the

person you put a bounty on!


Are you an alt of the person that put this bounty on my head? Because I know I certainly didn't.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#28 - 2012-08-20 14:20:37 UTC
Thread closed because of uninformative.

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jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#29 - 2012-08-20 18:00:01 UTC
Welcome to the beginning of the game almost.
Sunrise Omega
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-08-20 20:52:38 UTC
If you read the CSM meeting minutes, look for the section on player contracts. One of the concepts under discussion for the winter release are contracts where you pay someone to kill someone else. So instead of making the bounty open to all, you can be selective in who you send after your target.

And the hope is that they only get paid a percentage of the lost value on the kill mail, up to a maximum per kill (maybe by ship type).

So if you really want the target's carrier dead, you could contract a merc corp / alliance and offer a bounty of x% of the carrier "lost" value on the KM, up to some maximum. And offer a bit for their pod, in hopes that they have juicy implants.

http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf

see p135 in the PDF
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#31 - 2012-08-21 00:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
The bounty hunter system is a joke. It has been for years, and i expect it will continue to be so for a long, long time. The eve community has been crying out for a fix for years now, and nothing has been done. As it stands there is zero recourse for revenge via the bounty system, and i find it highly insulting and boarderline LYING for CCP to even suggest that the bounty hunter is an actual possible profession in eve. It isn't, and never has been, but they're more than happy to advertise it everywhere they can. Sad

And who doesn't want to be a bounty hunter for chirsts sake??

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#32 - 2012-08-21 19:42:19 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
It is indeed a complete joke.

Putting a bounty on someone is worthless and is laughable. The only reason people have high bounties is because they want to try and goad people into fighting them.


your failure to comprehend Eve is astounding, even after what 7 years of playing

this was copied from battleclinic loss mail comments: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16780337#comments

So, to start with We decimated some guys WH. Few days later I get a transfer to my wallet for 1 billion isk from the WH duder. I convo him and ask why he sent isk? He says, it was meant to be placed on me as a bounty that he made a mistake. I smack he rage logs.

I had like 1.8 bill on me already [from previous wormhole heists netting roughly 120 billion in 2012], few days pass and somebody tells me to look at my bounty. It's 4.8 bill so I convo him again and thank him for my new faction fit Vindi he bought me. He still doesn't understand.

Ever since that bounty was placed on me I get the gayyest convos and emails from random tools asking to split the bounty 50% if they can pod me yadda yadda.

So I decided to fight back... the pastebin sucks I know, but hopefully you get a chuckle and for the VegasHaters out there you finally get some justice seeing me lose a ship.

[He sent me an email asking to split bounty - I send him email back asking if I can really trust him? Then the convo] - basically I kill his drake, ask him to reship (he does into a kestrel) and I lose my faction fit velator then I ask him to reship again and kill him in my new velator- he nearly podded me]

http://pastebin.com/zB3Wsk6Ghttp://pastebin.com/zB3Wsk6G

to answer the question of why the fed navy mag, I was in a rush and grabbed a fed navy instead of a t2.

Something only a proper King of Noobs Hi Sec SlavedUp PubLord would do (proud member of the club btw).

I killed his drake and his kestrel he killed my velator somehow he wins - go figure

http://i45.tinypic.com/v4p1ly.jpghttp://i45.tinypic.com/v4p1ly.jpg

People ask why I don't just pod myself. I have implants in all my clones, so it's very inconvenient at the moment - so in this case the bounty worked. I don't undock and I rarely pvp on this character. The question of destroying 1.8 billion in implants for 4.8 billion in bounty is one I wrestle with daily.

So, if the bounty is high enough and the stars are aligned you may impact a players game - but it may be rare to find a newb like me who fills all his clones with implants.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-08-22 17:18:02 UTC
As it currently stands it doesn't work, simple as that. High sec really pisses me off for bounties, because if it's medium range 50-200 mil, it's not worth losing the ships and standing to kill someone. And for the ridiculous bounties I see in the bounty office the toon is nothing but a trophy. Never to undock again.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.

Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-08-22 18:20:19 UTC
Men no need to puzzle your minds trying to comprehend and understand the underlying powers that be.

As it stands it would be very hard to implement any viable solution that could not be abused as a means to grief a particular individual that undocks.

Having a sizeable bounty like Vegas highlighted throws up some interesting convos / mails / occurances that would not happen otherwise and make sitting on the effectively dead isk worthwhile for the lols alone never mind local chat.

Making somebody cry on their birthday, getting an Eastern European to sing Cyndi Lauper on comms, being called a thief after somebody chose to send me isk, having somebody pay the deposit in installments and being contracted a free Tengu 2 hours before I needed to buy / fit one anyhow are among some of the many highlights I have found amusing.

Bounty system works fine for me Big smile

Black Man with Goggles

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#35 - 2012-08-22 20:18:46 UTC
CCP simply needs to rethink the point of bounties - In my view, a bounty should be a form of aggro acquisition. In other words, it should work kinda like a personal war dec. You post a certain amount of isk which allows people who accept the bounty mission to have aggro for a specific period of time against the target. Of course in low/null this would be kinda pointless as you can always shoot someone there anyways - but in empire it would add a whole new dimension to pvp. I recognize that this sort of thing would have potential for grief play - but ccp could limit the impact by controlling the number of people who could accept the bounty and the length of time it is in effect, etc. . .

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#36 - 2012-08-22 22:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: VegasMirage
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
CCP simply needs to rethink the point of bounties - In my view, a bounty should be a form of aggro acquisition. In other words, it should work kinda like a personal war dec. You post a certain amount of isk which allows people who accept the bounty mission to have aggro for a specific period of time against the target. Of course in low/null this would be kinda pointless as you can always shoot someone there anyways - but in empire it would add a whole new dimension to pvp. I recognize that this sort of thing would have potential for grief play - but ccp could limit the impact by controlling the number of people who could accept the bounty and the length of time it is in effect, etc. . .


I actually like your idea, sounds like fun. Perhaps if you're a serious bounty hunter you pay X amount of isk with CCP (like a locator agent, you're not 100% to find the person or have them log on, so you wait for them to log on then pay), payment allows you X amount of time to kill the target in any space. Included with your payment you get various packets of intel sent you and an interface that allows you to see intel real time, like:

1. last time they logged on
2. current place docked
3. last 3 activities carried out (ratting, mining, etc.,)
4. last 3 ships flown
5. last 3 kill/loss mails
6. names of last 3 people to remote repair them *(so you can add them to your watch list)
7. Characters intel estimated sp, racial bias is any towards ships

etc., etc., seems like them it may actually turn into a profession

Skills could increase the quality of the intel packets, allow you to cast strong potions and wield ungodly swords that wreck destruction like no other... uhh, what am I talking about again?

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Feracitus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-09-15 01:55:19 UTC
I think it would be really easy to prevent people from collecting their own bounty:

once bounty is collected, 10% of bounty value is converted into SP debt.
Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-09-16 02:10:44 UTC
People...
Bounties are paid upon PODKILL NOT ship destruction

Stop posting bull*it if you don't know basic game mechanic please.

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.

VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#39 - 2012-09-16 06:43:52 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:
People...
Bounties are paid upon PODKILL NOT ship destruction

Stop posting bull*it if you don't know basic game mechanic please.


hehe

no more games... it's real this time!!!

jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#40 - 2012-09-18 00:29:09 UTC
They only pay the bounty if a reach around is given.Shocked
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