Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Another week another Top 20 thanks to Eve-Kill


Rank Ships Kills
1 Drake 153030
2 Hurricane 89660
3 Abaddon 59490
4 Armageddon 27037
5 Maelstrom 24628
6 Tempest 24504
7 Scimitar 18813
8 Dramiel 15916
9 Tengu 14133
10 Cynabal 13786
11 Hound 13587
12 Sabre 13230
13 Zealot 12807
14 Rifter 12342
15 Vagabond 11563
16 Rapier 11495
17 Loki 10181
18 Manticore 9970
19 Harbinger 9801
20 Capsule 9088

Not a single gallente ship in the line up. CCP Tallest... where art thou?

Why does this figure matter? For the most part, Gallente ships don't excel in fleet combat. Most pilots, other than myself. Don't want them to be viable in fleet combat. However, no Lachesis or Arazu on that list is a bit disconcerting. Gallente ships that are useful in fleet combat are the only ships that can possibly make that list. Obviously, ships specific for use in solo pvp. Could never possibly destroy the amount of ships fleets are able to.

Increasing Blaster range would change that. Anything, else would not really effect the figures above significantly.


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If that list represents fleet combat, then why are there:

a) so few Caldari ships on it, when their lack of speed and long-ranged weapons should be favoured in fleet
b) no railguns on it, when these are the longest-ranged weapons and hence should be effective in fleet
c) so many Minmatar and Angel ships on it, when these ships are supposedly designed for small-gang combat and hence have to be inferior in fleet environments?

If the list indicates small-gang ships, then why are there:

d) no Gallente ships or blasterboats on it, given that Gallente has a greater claim to the solo/small-gang niche, by virtue of having the shortest-ranged weapons least useful in fleet combat?
e) so many battleships on it?

Yeah, it's a crude metric. But the ships are present on, and absent from, that list for a reason.

Got ganked again....grrrrrrr

*starts writing same stuff..."

I was just thanking you for pointing out simple, but direct questions, some people clearly can't/don't/are able to answer by other thing than "rabble rabble rabble"

I have my self some issues with English so I'm happy someone educated like you done it just like I'd like to.

Thank you.

Anyways, since I've recently been seeing alot of very large fleets of Vagabonds, Hurricanes, Cynabals and Dramiels in them. I'm not sure what the rest of you are missing. Not to long ago (Pretty much last night) NCDOT was rolling around with a fleet of 20 in with said ships.

It's something you see alot in 0.0. Since I roam everywhere, bar wormhole space. I think I do have some understanding of what is being fielded. Also, I see alot of Rifter use in fleets.

Small gang to me is 2 - 4 dudes, what is it to you guys?

Interesting enough, those figures accurately represent the current popular fleet doctrines. So in effect, everything on that list is viable in fleet engagements.

As for Minmatar being limited to just 2 - 4 man fleets (small gang). The changes made to auto-cannons and artillery has made them viable in most forms of pvp. Not just solo as most Minmatar ships were before the changes. If you remember. Most Minmatar ships were in fact close range ships (or half of them at least, armour-Hurricane/rupture) very similar to Gallente ships.

Again, that list means nothing if Gallente ships (for the most part) excel in solo pvp and not fleet combat.

Capsules are also pretty popular in fleets (lol)

I don't wonder why pilots are complaining. Solo pvp has always been a niche and a minority of pilots engage in that form of pvp. Close range pvp is hard mode and solo pvp is hard mode. Most pilots in-game don't want hard mode. I choose ships that enable me to engage other pilots in a myriad of dynamic situations, with the goal of destroying ships. If possible, with minimal losses.

Some find the best way to achieve that is in fleets. I agree that is the best way, but some pilots don't enjoy being in the crowd. The minority often does not matter. Having a whole race dedicated to a minorities play style is kind of funny/interesting.

I could be like most pilots I know and call you all fail, blobers, terrible pilots and whatever other l33t thing I can come up with. Or recognise that most changes that CCP has done does not really effect solo pvp. Having a whole race dedicated to solo pvp and solo pvper's is not needed.

Keeping Gallente the same will not hurt me in anyway and changing them might not either. What I do know is this. The problem for the other 90% ingame (I would say more like 97%) is close range pvp. Having a weapon system only able to operate @ close ranges. Is not helpful to fleet combat apparently. How do you change that? Make them useful in fleet combat...

Let me give this a free bump, as there are some very interesting thoughts within this thread. I also think that Gallente wont be fixed with just fixing Hyprid Weapons. Give all the ships some love that needs it.

I personally don't like the idea of increasing range or damage of blasters. Blasters already do a ton of damage with their range apropriate. I also don't like the aspect of increasing their agility.

If it were possible, I think you need to leave the Minmatar as the fastest and most agile. That is their unique flavor. I think the Gallente would be fixed if they could implement a way for them to have the highest acceleration. Turn on the MWD and bam, their are in your face. Not the greatest top speed, but the greatest rate of acceleration to their top speed. Minmatar would still be kings of speed kiting while a good gallente pilot could still be able to catch them with a scram and / or web.

Just my 2 isk.

IMO the list reflects the ships used in some of the most popular (common) forms of engagements. Some of them come from fleet engagements and other come from medium sized gangs.

Sure, there are a few ships that most probably come from fights in which blasterboats should excell (solo to small gang) like the dram, rifter and some of those BCs. But I think its videly understood that ships lost in engagements with sub 5 man gangs – where blasters should reign supreme – is in the minority. That would mean that even if the blasterhulls were perfectly in tune with what they are supposed to do – they would still be largely missing from that list.

I don't think agility has anything to do with acceleration. Agility is turning and mass is acceleration. I believe.