Player Features and Ideas Discussion

care to explain a tad bit more what your beef with the ammo boost is? you dont like the tracking boost? i like the boost cuss it means that hybrids will be better for PVE... damage selection is a good thing... trakcing boost is also a good thing...

hell the ammo boost is the martha fracking stewart of hybrid boost its a "good" thing...

grimpak but thats the thing hybrids have all the bad qualities of both energy and projectiles... with the ammo boost this will at the very least gives blasters some of the good qualities of the other turret types...

but cest la vie eh? when it comes to balance not eveyone is going to be happy with all the changes...

I hear what your saying about the ammo changes, I guess on the surface there are some similarities but the actual effect of the changes is quite different...

Ok,

I've been looking at Railguns in depth lately. I've got a clearer idea of were they need to be.

The 33% increase to optimal range has now been scrapped.

Railguns now do more damage, and much more damage at longer ranges. True to the RP nature of what most of us consider railguns to be like, ultra high muzzle velocity means, damage attenuates much less at long to ultra long range.

This picture should help explain the changes:

http://www.theskyunion.com/railguns.jpg

Railgun base damage increased by 10%
Spike base damage increased by 25%
Javelin - Increases tracking by 50% - 5% Less damage than CN Antimatter and 100% increased capacitor usage
Iron base damage increased by 20%
Plutonium - (Same as current plutonium except: ), 20% Kinetic, 80% Thermal damage
Uranium - -(Same as current plutonium except: ), 80% Kinetic, 20% Thermal damage

Thorium - (Same as current thorium except: ) 0% increase to optimal, 20% increase to tracking, 80% Kinetic, 20% Thermal
Lead - (Same as current thorium except: ) 0% increase to optimal, 20% increase to tracking, 20% Kinetic, 80% Thermal damage

Iridium - (Same as current thorium except: ) 0% increase to optimal, 20% increase to falloff, 80% Kinetic, 20% Thermal
Tungsten - (Same as current thorium except: ) 0% increase to optimal, 20% increase to falloff, 20% Kinetic, 80% Thermal damage


Beams should and will always out damage and out track at short to medium range, all other turrets. Artillery will always have the most alpha. They have high fitting requirements, and in most cases high enough capacitor usage that continuous fire is not an option without logistics. However, Rails did pointless damage at long range, and had too poor tracking at medium ranges for most damage bonuses to have a meaningful impact.

These modifications solve this. Javelin, Lead and Thorium both help tracking at medium ranges. Overall, the changes to ammo and railgun damage mods increase DPS at range by 30 to 35%.

I can get behind this, but the nagging feeling is still brooding over in the back of my head.

guess for the sake of sanity I'll ignore it. we can't have it all

how would a ROF increase on the rails work btw? I always wondered how rails would work as a rapid-fire sniper weapon.

i am at work now and cant load eft... can someone crunch the numbers and tell me what a eagle will be doing with 250's 3 mag stabs and spike now?

grim i too like a rof bonus... though should it be for tech I or tech II ship classes for caldari... or is it even needed now after clerks boost to rails?

n/m

opps.... lmao serves me right for duplicating a previous setup and not checking for drones...

Minor changes:

Gleam Ammo changed from reduced capacitor usage, to increased damage.

With Quake, DPS is reduced by 5%, optimal range and fall off is reduced by 33% whilst alpha increases by 25%. It's not an ammo to replace EMP. But if there's a situation where your gang thinks you need that extra alpha (say a tanked T3), they'd be an option. With 3 damage mods and max skills on a bonused ship, the ROF time is about 17 seconds. Increasing this by several seconds won't hurt too much. I'm also considering completely different bonuses for short range ammo, like ammo that generated heat damage on your targets mods over time, or had a chance of briefly reducing a targets agility for a short time.



i think even with your boost to blasters caldari will still lag behind the other races... but an alpha boost would help this... sure you have to reduce rate of fire... but its not soo bad... 30% decrease in rof or about (1-2 seconds) for 50% more alpha and 8% more dps plus the tracking boost would be more than enough to make medium blasters and large blasters kick ass... if the weapon is the closest range turret platform it should be doing the most dps and the second most alpha![/quote]
I'm going to have a second look at blasters today/tomorrow.

I'm on the fence about alpha to blasters. It might be awesome to witness and use and a small amount more might be a good thing, but to experience artillery like alpha on platforms with good tracking might be a disaster to anything that tries to get under your guns 1v1. I don't think blasters should be able to instapwn ships several size classes down either. Look at the number of interceptors, t1 cruisers and interdictors flown today and you'd understand that people just don't wanna fly squishy ships - which they have become since the nano nerf. So we should try not to make the situation worse with things like 300% alpha blasters or 800% increased tracking IMO. (examples)

some of those changes are good some are bad a lot of them will gimp a bunch of gallente ships such as my beloved albeit sucky proteus i love that ship but the changes your talking about will hurt it badly

a lot of it stems on your agility changes