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How many EVE gamers are from the United States?

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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#1 - 2012-08-15 03:50:11 UTC
It may seem like a strange thing to ask, but according to some unnamed game developers, American gamers see punishing the player as a problem with a game rather than admitting their own mistakes.

So I want to know, what gamers here are from the U.S.? Why are you playing EVE despite how its problem of punishing players?
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#2 - 2012-08-15 03:56:44 UTC
What?

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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#3 - 2012-08-15 03:59:05 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
What?


If you're from the US, I want to know why you're playing EVE despite the "problem" of the game punishing the player for failure.
Tibus Massani
Tactical Worldwide Operations
Semper Fidelis Coalition
#4 - 2012-08-15 04:07:50 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
What?

Seriously. This.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#5 - 2012-08-15 04:08:08 UTC
Am I to understand that you are calling pistol packing, war mongering, fire and brimstone bible thumping, filling up the prisons, road raging, hate group creating, kill you for wearing the wrong colors Americans a bunch of carebears?

Where, praytell, did you get this information from?

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stoicfaux
#6 - 2012-08-15 04:14:50 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
It may seem like a strange thing to ask, but according to some unnamed game developers, American gamers see punishing the player as a problem with a game rather than admitting their own mistakes.

So I want to know, what gamers here are from the U.S.? Why are you playing EVE despite how its problem of punishing players?

I think you're confused with European games which tend to be more co-op and try to keep all the players in the game until the end. In contrast, US games tend to be more cutthroat and allow for players to be eliminated early.

E.g. Settlers of Catan versus Monopoly.


Also, this:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
What?


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#7 - 2012-08-15 04:32:19 UTC
Out of respect I won't say who said it, but a game developer recently said that American MMO gamers can't deal with failure.

I want to know if that's true or not.
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#8 - 2012-08-15 04:37:06 UTC
Seriously, what problem?

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#9 - 2012-08-15 04:38:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilianna Star
Marie Hartinez wrote:
Seriously, what problem?


Punishing players for failure is a problem among American gamers. Same with forcing gamers to read and providing anything but the most well designed and easy to use interface. European gamers can take it though.
Alara IonStorm
#10 - 2012-08-15 04:41:43 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
American MMO gamers can't deal with failure.

Yeah when people say MMO in context to the industry they are talking about Wow and its 600 Clones.

That little tiny chuck of the industry where EVE and games like EVE are, they are for context to their meaning "MMO's" in name only.

We're the dark back alley of the industry. The people they are talking about hang out in that sunny park over there.
Alara IonStorm
#11 - 2012-08-15 04:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Lilianna Star wrote:

Punishing players for failure is a problem among American gamers. Same with forcing gamers to read and providing anything but the most well designed and easy to use interface. European gamers can take it though.

I see you added some speculation and decided the conjecture and opinion is absolute fact.

Guess you made up your mind based on your hate boner.

You should really let the upper brain do some thinking once and a while.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#12 - 2012-08-15 04:55:29 UTC
It is kind of true, American games are alot different then european games. I had to play american games, until they got so ******, for so long,. That I can finally handle an european game.

A lot of europeans do play WoW though, so the distinction is always hard to make.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#13 - 2012-08-15 04:57:01 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Out of respect I won't say who said it



Made it up, gotcha.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#14 - 2012-08-15 05:17:51 UTC
0/10 for lack of research before the troll. Afaik nobody loves brutal corporate capitalism more than us.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#15 - 2012-08-15 07:03:39 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
Out of respect I won't say who said it



Made it up, gotcha.



Fine, here you go.

To be honest I am a little offended.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#16 - 2012-08-15 07:33:42 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:

Fine, here you go.
To be honest I am a little offended.


Don Daglow? He worked a decade for EA. That alone makes him irrelevant. Wanna look at the games he helped develop? "Tony La Russa Baseball"? "Old Time Baseball"? Oh Please... This guy has been trying to call attention to himself for years, in order to sell his books (he claims to be a writer too). He's so full of himself that he probably wrote his own Wikipedia entry.

PS: Yup... he actually did wrote his own wiki entry. Using his own books as references... lol

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-08-15 07:40:48 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
To be honest I am a little offended.


If you are that easily offended, maybe your should no start a thread that stereo type a hole nation.

Because some americans have a gaming related character flaw, does not mean that everyone has it. Most people playing eve are probably not having any problems with being punished for their mistakes, most may even be quick to learn from their on and others mistakes.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#18 - 2012-08-15 07:44:53 UTC
Again... in case in wasn't clear the first time:

Don Daglow is a TROLL.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#19 - 2012-08-15 09:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
The only difference between the "American gamer" and the "European gamer" or the "Asian gamer" or any other "ThisGenericRegion gamer" is how much attention to unjustified temper tantrums the developer gives, and how badly the playerbase reacts when their temper tantrums go ignored for too long.
That is to say, there's always some crybabies on all sides of each of the oceans, it's only a matter of degree.

So, I guess, if you really want to get down to the splittiest of the hairs, the geezer is sort of right - a slightly larger proportion of USA gamers are somewhat more likely to feel a bit more entitled, make more noise when they really shouldn't, and the USA-centric devs more likely to cave in to their demands or even pre-emptively design to minimize those complaints from the word go even if it saps on the power of some of the fun parts of the game itself.
That doesn't mean a game like EVE would be completely unpopular with an USA audience or strongly resonate with an European audience only. The demographics of EVE-Online subscribers relatively recently looked like this:
~37% USA
~14% UK
~8% Germany
~5.5% Russia
~5% Canada
~3% Australia
~2.5% France
~2.3% each to Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark (and well under 20% everybody else combined)
...which is pretty damn strong as far as USA player totals go, more than one third of the playerbase, more than double of any other nation, and more than every smaller-than-2% nation combined.

So, yeah, the archetypal USA gamer might be a lazy slob who likes everything spoon-fed, but that doesn't mean every USA gamer fits the stereotype. Stereotypes are there for a reason, they might fit a significant portion, but they certainly don't fit everybody.
Elias Greyhand
#20 - 2012-08-15 10:49:55 UTC
He looks like a Russian clone of old Bob Hopkins.

"That which is done cannot be undone. But it can be avenged."

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