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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-08-16 16:52:08 UTC
Destriouth Hollow wrote:
I hope this text isn't too long for anybody to read it and gives you all needed information to judge my offering.


It is too long, and has essentially no details beyond "your PI is good, but my snake oil is beter"

Why not put your math skills to use over in MD. I hear setting up an EVE bank is popular.
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#22 - 2012-08-16 18:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Add my voice to the dubious chorus that such returns are impossible.

Besides, even if they were, a real person would want to keep their trade secrets...as the more people doing the same exact thing as you...the worse everyone's margins are (Just ask the miners).



The big number is pure threoretical and would demand some pretty well organized and annoying/almost impossible interactions to work. and that for a full month (: Please look at the numer I earn and stop looking at the funny big one (:
The problem is: i want to skill for +5 implants, for fitted battleships, for mining, for trading, for hauling etc etc
I dont want to skill 2 months into PI jet (:
And with the contract i spread the areas of work and this problem wont occur for contractors.

Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Pfsshhhhhhh....

If you suddenly discover a tree that grows money, you don't sell it.


If you can neither cut down or climb the tree you can either sell it or look at it. I chose selling it (:

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t is too long, and has essentially no details beyond "your PI is good, but my snake oil is beter"

Why not put your math skills to use over in MD. I hear setting up an EVE bank is popular.


Yes it is a little long. Im sorry for that. What do you mean by MD? Also dont know anything about EVE Banks, but i imagine few people trust a 1month-char. As most of you feel too (:


THE FIRST CONTRACT IS OUT
Only 2 more people to get a reduced fee

regards
Destriouth Hollow
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#23 - 2012-08-16 18:54:11 UTC
Wait, someone found a way to make leaps and bounds more than they rightfully should through a new revolutionary system? That everyone else before them is somehow doing it wrong to be overtaken by a younger than should be right toon?

Like this hasn't happened before.


Smells very familiar... I would have to be skeptical about this particular venture as well. Too good to be true usually is.
Steel Wraith
#24 - 2012-08-17 20:14:30 UTC
Destriouth Hollow wrote:
- Íf you are sure you have the most optimal setup already you can send me your Setup and pay me to keep it secret.


I think you should rethink your business model.

I ended up training all the PI skills to 5 and yet I no longer bother to check in on my planets. Why? Because planning/tweaking/tinkering the infrastructure layout and production chains was really the entertaining aspect of PI. The day-to-day operation of PI itself is rather boring.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-08-17 20:46:34 UTC
Destriouth Hollow wrote:

Yes it is a little long. Im sorry for that. What do you mean by MD? Also dont know anything about EVE Banks, but i imagine few people trust a 1month-char. As most of you feel too (:


Long wouldn't be so bad. Lack of substance however does.

MD-Market discussions. And yes a joke. Someone comes in from time to time with a "bank" style idea. Every one so far has ended up a ponzi scheme.
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#26 - 2012-08-18 06:43:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
The first couple contracts are out. I have to take back the offer of reduced pay. Prices are normal now.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-08-18 08:54:16 UTC
Destriouth Hollow wrote:
The first couple contracts are out. I have to take back the offer of reduced pay. Prices are normal now.


Expecting glowing testimonials any day now...
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#28 - 2012-08-18 09:45:45 UTC
At first was skeptical that it might be possible but based on spiking prices and having 3 chars with max skills in perfect null space, the max possible would be near 5-6b due to PG and max minerals possible. Second closest was using buy orders to get cheap goods and making in 0% tax would net in 3-7b but requires extensive hauling daily.

Much easier to just set up 2-3 p2 factories on 3 chars that only need to be reset once a week. Brings in 1-1.2b a month with almost no hauling needed.
Sala Teng
Intelligence Reports
#29 - 2012-08-19 11:57:40 UTC
took OP on his offer - talked some time to him and found out, that yes, for a small initial investment, my PI-result will profit massively. take it or leave it, but my isk-making profited...

my 0.02 isk
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#30 - 2012-08-19 21:51:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
I currently dont want to spend that much time with these contracts anymore.
It brought a ton of ISK but calculating the stuff for ppl gave me headaches (:
I found that earning isk with mission-running or mining stresses me much less even if i do not earn as much with it (:


MY OFFER IS OFF LIMITS UNTIL I WANT TO SPEND TIME WITH IT AGAIN
(people who already received or accepted my offers will of course keep my support)

A small exception to this is people living in low/00 with taxes of 2% or lower, as here the profit goes into interesting amounts.
If you are one of those people, im still open.

regards
Destriouth
YuuKnow
The Scope
#31 - 2012-08-21 02:13:39 UTC
Sounds like you have the potential to make a nice bit of isk off of this. If your getting bugeoned by too many request, all you have to do is continue to increase your fees until the number of players wiling to pay it decreases. You'll still be able to make nice isk off your work. I'ld start with 100mil isk per consulting fee and see what happens.

yk
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
#32 - 2012-08-21 04:04:55 UTC
Let it begin! Bear
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#33 - 2012-08-21 11:00:05 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
Sounds like you have the potential to make a nice bit of isk off of this. If your getting bugeoned by too many request, all you have to do is continue to increase your fees until the number of players wiling to pay it decreases. You'll still be able to make nice isk off your work. I'ld start with 100mil isk per consulting fee and see what happens.

yk


ppl keep asking me even so i wanted to quit ^^

The amount of time i am willing to spend for fees below 100mio decreased rapidly and i fear my offers will be less professional if i keep this up.
The last customer (worth 58mio) got handled per ingame-chat only, (15min ago) which is not how i want to do this.

Therefore I raised my prices to 2 weeks of profit

The amount you pay me will be back in after 2 weeks. In a month you will have that as pure profit. In 2 months you will have 3 times of that as profit. This should still be fair enough and it will be worth my time.

regards
Destriouth Hollow
electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-08-22 01:08:15 UTC
Or you could use my program (linked in sig) to calculate your profits.

Asteroid Timer: Know exactly when that roid depletes! PI Profit Calculator: calculates your profits and taxes of any PI product depending on how you built them!
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-08-22 01:39:07 UTC
Month 1) Earn 14b
Month 2) Sub 28 new accounts
Month 3-5) Re-sub accounts while training
Month 6) Each account makes 14b = 28*14 392b/month
Month 8) Trillionaire
anishamora
Atelierele Grivita
#36 - 2012-08-22 12:09:07 UTC
Barakach wrote:
Month 1) Earn 14b
Month 2) Sub 28 new accounts
Month 3-5) Re-sub accounts while training
Month 6) Each account makes 14b = 28*14 392b/month
Month 8) Trillionaire


You don't understand, apart from being a financial genius the guy is also a philanthropist and wants to spread the wealth.

Destriouth Hollow wrote:
- Íf you are sure you have the most optimal setup already you can send me your Setup and pay me to keep it secret.


Sooo, if someone finds a gold mine he suddenly gets an uncontrollable urge to share this with someone. And you, being such a kind soul, lend your ear to share this burden. Then ask for money to keep the secret. My brain is melting Lol

Really now, I'm always amazed at the amount of time and effort these pathetic people waste trying to hatch the next big scam only to fail hard. They could do afk-mining and still earn more with less effort.
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#37 - 2012-08-22 16:36:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
electrostatus wrote:
Or you could use my program (linked in sig) to calculate your profits.

Interesting little visual basic for applications tool.
I like the language cause its easily excessable for needing no special tools unlike Java (which im mainly using) with Eclipse.
Ill take a look at it if i have some time and reply on it.

Barakach wrote:
Month 1) Earn 14b
Month 2) Sub 28 new accounts
Month 3-5) Re-sub accounts while training
Month 6) Each account makes 14b = 28*14 392b/month
Month 8) Trillionaire


Again, it was a theoretical number (:
It has some extrodanary requirements and was not ment to be done exactly like that. It was mainly ment as a little funny number and I kind of reget writing it as it gave me an annoying amount of critics.

anishamora wrote:

You don't understand, apart from being a financial genius the guy is also a philanthropist and wants to spread the wealth.

Sooo, if someone finds a gold mine he suddenly gets an uncontrollable urge to share this with someone. And you, being such a kind soul, lend your ear to share this burden. Then ask for money to keep the secret. My brain is melting Lol

Really now, I'm always amazed at the amount of time and effort these pathetic people waste trying to hatch the next big scam only to fail hard. They could do afk-mining and still earn more with less effort.


Well thanks for the flattering (: I do actually perceive myself as quite good with programming and numbers (this is why im studying in those directions i guess ^^). Some friends of me call me a socialist because they disagree with my politcal/social views (especially pure business-students).
Nobody took this particular offer jet. I was ment because i find it interesting what ppl in eve actually do on pi and to compare how much better my system actually is. Figured some people might care too.

Calling me a pathetic scammer however is pretty unjust. Some of my habits might be out of the ordinary, but im in no way a scammer. I contracted quite a few people already and the first one has to criticize me jet. I would however really like more than one of them to give me a positive comment here to stop people like you from propagandize against me.
And i didn't really skill into mining and would hardly make isk out of that ^^

regards
Destriouth
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#38 - 2012-08-22 18:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
Now lets move away from the harsh isk-gaining in eve and move to a much less competitive topic. I collected some of the beatifull graphics-bugs my computer produced and want to share those with everybody who is interested. Please vote on the prettiest one (:
Here they are:
(im currently trying to find out how to link the the other thread with the number: 1831733)
[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1831733&[/url]
and im really really failing to do it currently
god why doesnt this work
Talfon Dre't
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-08-22 20:37:46 UTC
I used his services, and overall I'd say it was alright. If you're starting out in PI, this would provide some good information. However, if you're an experienced PI capsuleer, or Industry professional, I don't think you'll learn anything new. The entry price is kind of high, but you will eventually make it back, it all depends on how much initial work you put into it. With the information I was given, I could produce about 3.25m isk every ten hours. That's my honest assessment, so take it or leave it.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-08-22 21:27:23 UTC
Talfon Dre't wrote:
I used his services, and overall I'd say it was alright. If you're starting out in PI, this would provide some good information. However, if you're an experienced PI capsuleer, or Industry professional, I don't think you'll learn anything new. The entry price is kind of high, but you will eventually make it back, it all depends on how much initial work you put into it. With the information I was given, I could produce about 3.25m isk every ten hours. That's my honest assessment, so take it or leave it.


Certainly a far cry from the claims of the OP. 234mil a month? I have been making more than double that without even putting much work into it. And setting it up so I only had to deal with pi every 5 days or so.
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