EVE General Discussion

Like getting in close by knowing how to fly your ship.

Also, Sensor Damps and TDs work just fine at forcing a kiting ship in close if they want to hurt you.

Before adding new mods the existent ones need a good take a look at, but this should not be done before rebalancing of hulls since most of them are totally incapable to fit a decent tank enough slots for dps mods cap/recharge/cpu etc etc etc so, if CCP wants to do things right they should start by fitting those hulls full T2 highest tier guns/cap/pg hungry prop mods and blahblahblah to see what happens (I guess some will look like this and how could they ever think their game was balanced)




Actually there are 2 different Armor tanking options you already know: active and passive
If you take a look at the background Amarr ar more about passive tanking with massive base EHP and armor resistances p/lvl relying on Guardians to stay alive
Then you have Gallente, using the primary shortest range weapon system with second best speed but then don't have enough cap recharge to keep everything running so they don't have much of a choice but to fit plates witch they do and then become even slower than Caldari.Of course at gates and stations this doesn't matter that much

Thing is those don't stick any more to the racial flavour for several reasons like buffs/nerfs on ships/mods whatever but armor tanking as a whole is bad, horribly bad unless gazillions of ehp witch is not an example how good armor tanking is at subcap level and slaves/crystals should never be an argument for balance since those should be considered as "mods" and then be balanced accordingly as well.

Active armor tanking is horrible, a simple example how horrible it can be: pick Lachesis and passive armor fit it, you get a 34/40K EHP slowish brick
Fit it with shield and you can get a wooping passive 80K EHP with or about 60 with enough ACTIVE SHIELD TANKING to take on many targets.
Shield Vexor and other frigs/cruisers I don't even have to mention because everyone being around for a while knows those, shield Brutix/Myrmidon, shield Dominix/Megathron/Hyperion, all of them without exception are way better with shield tanking than armor tanking despite having better number of low slots for armor than mids for shields.

In the end:
- does the game really needs armor tanking ships? -no
-would it stick much better to the sci-fi style that all ships are shield tankers? -yes
-if CCP wants to keep armor tanking viable in other ways then 35413961835² plated bricks just being like structures with guns but with less ehp? -it seems yes (omg that RAH, nice trolling !!)

I'm waiting for those changes but will not hide I have no trust this will ever happen properly, RAH module just proved they have no idea how bad armor tanking is and what it needs to become viable so I'm happy my shield skills are very decent and soon become perfect.

Did you know that even Devs in CSM minutes said that damps need some love and you writing thats fine ?

Thank you very much for your post. I can in 100% Agree with you. Thats why I've started this topic. Thanks.
This post should be reference for this thread

OK enough that several major fleet comps are Armor tanked.

Fleet fights are Rock-Paper-Scissors. Some fleets are Shield Tanked and Some Armor Tanked. Each Fleet Comp has at least one Counter.

I'm saying that Armor Tanks have advantages, and Shield Tanks have advantages.

Witch gallente has none, don't bring serpentis ships or blood rider ones to the discussion, doesn't prove anything about webs EVERY race can fit/use. Seems you've never crossed the HAM Drake Tengu for reference and just in case you don't know what it is those are shield tanking ships
Tracking disruptor: :lol:


When you fly the second slowest targeting ships indeed it's the best option to script your damps with targeting delay scripts
Then damp scripts, you need 3 of them to bring a 90km targeting battleship to +/- 20km targeting distance, and of course everyone knows fights never happen in disruptor range, this is a myth


Nice one, ships using those neuts because cap :doesn't-matter: are also the fastest ones with guns having the best or the closest best tracking (with small difference not making it noticeable) of all guns after at least 2 TE's fitted witch most of them do. No one around will ever avoid flying fast ceptors close to 220/180mm's because everyone knows they can't blow these frigs faster than a couple seconds


9km T2 base range, indeed it's very interesting to fit one on everything above frigate and specially if you don't elite pvp at gates/stations



Drake, Tengu, Rokh, Hurricane, Tornado and actually every ship with more than one mid slot. So what are you trying to prove?

My take on this is that armor's penalty is always there to nag you, no matter the situation. Nobody ever enjoys 14 seconds align times except the speedy shield tanker that get to take his damn sweet time to point you. It also burns all the LO. Meanwhile, shield's "penalty" can be a minor inconvenience, sometimes.

I think that sig radius is some sort of "Mystery" and not real thing because : Speed + Sig + tracking + range = too much math :) so CCP simplify that :D but its just my speculation sort of conspiracy theory.

OP, besides your horrendous grasp of the english language (Although english may not be your first language so it is forgiven), you don't even try to research what you are talking about, Armour ships are fine as they are, their lack of speed is made up by things like more space for mid slot utilities. Just because a shield ship may be able to kill your armour ship, doesn't mean they are overpowered

And BTW. Amarr mid slots rack is OP :) I think that amarr have Too many utility options... MWD and Point and Cap :) They need to be Nerfed :)