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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-08-14 13:42:49 UTC
Nobody has access to my emails. I have allowed a CEO to view my mails for initial review into a corp...after that they get nothing. This isn't a problem with EVE. It's a problem with your friends having no balls to stand up for themselves and say no.

If a corp doesn't want me because they want to stick their noses up my ass where it does not belong then screw em. There are plenty of other corps out there that will accept me.

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Cadfael Maelgwyn
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-08-14 13:47:20 UTC
I've noticed that corps have only started asking for Full APIs (read: everything checked on the checkboxes) since the transition from the old full/limited API system.

I suppose CEOs are just too lazy to go through the effort of deciding which checkboxes they actually need to see.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-08-14 14:23:21 UTC
Another reason why I play solo. Not giving my API to anyone...
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-08-14 14:33:21 UTC
There's nothing wrong with giving your limited API to someone...so long as you don't mind them reading through your crap. They cannot steal your account with the limited API even with all the check boxes checked.

The way I see it...either you want this 68mil SP, max logistics on all races, max missile, shield, armor, beam, Caldari and Amarr capital pilot...or you don't.

Yes...it may sound like me being cocky and bragging...but you know what? A lot of corps and alliance WANT pilots with the skills I have because they need em. If you want to pry into my ongoing business in EVE. Too bad. I am not a spy...but if I were...I wouldn't be dumbass enough to use my primary account for forwarding intel. =P

Pretty much what it comes down to is this. CEO's want to see all your info. They claim this is to prevent spies. Maybe this is true...maybe it isn't...fact of the matter is, it will do absolutely nothing. CEO has no way of knowing if I have alt accounts or not. I personally don't spy...too much meta gaming for me. But there is absolutely nothing I can do or say to prove that anyway. So why bother with API checks? It means nothing in the end.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#65 - 2012-08-14 16:32:02 UTC
You do realize there are email options other than eve? And chat channels in game cannot be monitored.

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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#66 - 2012-08-14 16:35:00 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...


People use evemail? Shocked

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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#67 - 2012-08-14 17:40:59 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
you should probably join a nullsec alliance, liberate yourself from highsec dictator oppression.


Did...did he really...I mean...did he just say...what I think he said?

*cheeks puff up...face turns red*

*snort...titter*

Maybe...maybe I misread...

*reads again, shorts involuntarily again*

Ha..gumphurgle...Haha...

Bwahahaha...a-hahahahaha! No way...no f*cking way! Hahahahaha! Kids say the cutest things sometimes!

*wipes tears from eyes*

Aw...I peed a little...

John Hancock
Pipa Porto
#68 - 2012-08-14 17:47:20 UTC
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.

You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.




All well and good, but when you give people the opportunity to do so then people will try to take advantage of it.

I'd say just get rid of the API.



If you don't want someone reading your mails, uncheck that check box. Simple as that.

If the Corp you're joining wants access as a condition of employment, well then it's up to you which you value more. Membership or Privacy.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-08-14 17:53:18 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.

You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.



You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way.

If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....


I completely agree with this. I intentionally left mail out on an application because I concider it private and it was requested almost instantly. It's not that I had something to hide but seriously, when paranioa becomes so strong you can't even keep your mail private in fear of spies and random awoxers something's ****** up.
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#70 - 2012-08-14 17:56:48 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.

You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.



You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way.

If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....


It is called standing up for yourself. They should try it. No one is forcing them to stay in said corporation.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-08-14 18:01:48 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
you should probably join a nullsec alliance, liberate yourself from highsec dictator oppression.


Did...did he really...I mean...did he just say...what I think he said?

never seen a 0.0 corp that demanded to read alliance members' e-mails
in reality highsec corps are often much more autocratic then the worst nullsec group
they live in fear of losing their pimp-fit mission ship or something
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-08-14 18:06:17 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
The best spies are the ones you recruit from inside.


Under 100billion don't even dare to mail me. For 100 bill You don't get much but for 2 or 300 billions things might start getting interesting Lol

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#73 - 2012-08-14 18:09:39 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
So why bother with API checks? It means nothing in the end.


Paranoid mental unstable people might feel better. They don't need Api keys, they need doctors help Lol

brb
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-08-14 19:24:57 UTC
In all seriousness, any spy or thief worth their salt can make a character that no one can trace. The only real thing to watch is that certain promotions by CCP will link the accounts. Those characters are happy to give up their squeaky clean API's.

Secondly, there's no stopping someone from turning on you. They can have the best credentials in the world and then just decide they want your stuff more than your comradery.

Finally, in the case of the OP, there is no reason why they can't talk to you unless you really are a thief. The guys said their alliance checks their mails, not forbids them. I said that tinged with sarcasm earlier, but that really is the bottom line in relation to how the OP was worded. They are not forbidden to talk to you, they are being watched. If talking to you raises a red flag, it's for a reason.
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#75 - 2012-08-14 19:34:22 UTC
There are many ways to get a full api than just asking for it. I found this out and just laughed. I told the guy who had it I feel bad for whoever has to scrub those long winded pages of nonsense....

Here's the secret: Make everything above a 3rd grade reading level and 90% of people won't read it. Hell, most people can't type out "Too long; didn't read" without ADD kicking in.
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#76 - 2012-08-14 20:29:12 UTC
I think the OP's "friends" just don't want to talk to him. Either that or he's whining about a problem that doesn't really exist for attention.
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-08-14 20:46:15 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...



If you have nothing to hide, providing a full API is no big deal. I know the person in charge of my corp / alliance reads all of my emails (or at least some of them) and it doesn't bother me. I'm not doing or saying anything that I would have a problem talking to him about.

You have to realize that as you get more involved and deeper into this game, you can gain responsibilities and control over assets that take weeks, months and possibly years of work to obtain. Strategies are also a big part of it. Having your corp or alliances info leaked is a big concern.

Any corp that DOES NOT police and check up on its people is looking for their organization to be compromised and ruined.

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#78 - 2012-08-14 20:50:17 UTC
I wouldn't join any corp/alliance asking for a full API. But if I were of a mind to give my API away, I'd send hundreds of long long evemails - usually copy pasta slash fic. I think it'd be fun. Maybe I'll start an alt.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-08-14 20:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
If you're worth infiltrating, you will be infiltrated, API checks or otherwise.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#80 - 2012-08-14 22:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
In my corp it works the other way around. People pass their API key around if they want skill advice or something like that. CEO's that are so paranoid that they require full API keys seem to forget that they can simply shoot at offenders in their corp. Infiltrations can be fun, especially when they bork, the infiltrant gets few Roles assigned and enters corporate stasis.

24h witchhunt anyone?Big smile