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Invasions of privacy

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H1ghwayman
BOVRIL bOREers Offshore Drilling
#1 - 2012-08-14 05:31:52 UTC
I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...
Pipa Porto
#2 - 2012-08-14 05:33:58 UTC
There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.

You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-08-14 05:35:46 UTC
you should probably join a nullsec alliance, liberate yourself from highsec dictator oppression.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#4 - 2012-08-14 05:37:08 UTC
If the API check on some corps bothers you that much, simply apply elsewhere. You can play EVE how you choose to; it's one of the finer points of the game.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

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H1ghwayman
BOVRIL bOREers Offshore Drilling
#5 - 2012-08-14 05:37:43 UTC  |  Edited by: H1ghwayman
Pipa Porto wrote:
There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.

You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.



You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way.

If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#6 - 2012-08-14 05:51:14 UTC
If someone isn't talking to you because their CEO says so... they are not your friends.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#7 - 2012-08-14 05:51:23 UTC
A) Find a new corp.

or

B) Start using e-mail as a means to manipulate those that might read them.

Profit favors the prepared
H1ghwayman
BOVRIL bOREers Offshore Drilling
#8 - 2012-08-14 05:53:40 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
A) Find a new corp.

or

B) Start using e-mail as a means to manipulate those that might read them.



Seriously? Only use mail as a means of manipulating? Should someone really have to make that choice... How about mail being private without anyone else being able to read it at all ever? That's how mail should be...
Pipa Porto
#9 - 2012-08-14 05:55:14 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.

You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.



You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way.

If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....


If you don't like the corp you're in, you are free to go elsewhere.

If you do not like your choices as far as corps who don't vet their applicants, you are free to form your own corp and not vet your applicants.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#10 - 2012-08-14 05:56:05 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
A) Find a new corp.

or

B) Start using e-mail as a means to manipulate those that might read them.



Seriously? Only use mail as a means of manipulating? Should someone really have to make that choice... How about mail being private without anyone else being able to read it at all ever? That's how mail should be...



Only people you explicitly allow access to your mail can read your mail.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Serena Serene
Heretic University
#11 - 2012-08-14 06:06:45 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.

You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.



You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way.

If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....


The "declawing" needs to be done by the players, imo. People demanding this invasion of privacy can only do so because enough "underlings" comply.
I don't know about these things being "standard" but I really can't imagine that.

If there are enough people being in those corps/alliances nonetheless, it doesn't seem to be a big deal for those, or it's the cowardly "I can't change anything about that myself anyway" thing which so often allows dictators to stay in power, only that IRL there are very real dangers involved with "going against the system".

In any case, I guess you could switch to a form of out of game communication like.. you know.. "normal" e-mail and such.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-08-14 06:31:42 UTC
check your API access log to see when your corp/alliance pulls your mails

then make sure you delete anything fishy before that time

.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#13 - 2012-08-14 06:39:02 UTC
Talk about overkill.

I thought they only ask for api when recruiting. If they still want to have it once you're a member I'd be a bit worried. I'd rather leave a corp who always wanted it. Unless it was to check to see what skills you were training, I'd make a new one which only allowed them to see that part. You can cancel your current api-key and make a new one and they wont be able to use the old api-key to see your evemails.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2012-08-14 06:40:00 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it...
…and then you tell them to go **** themselves and create a new corp without that requirement. If it's a significant problem, you're going to amass a significant number of corp members.

You ruin the standard; they crumble; win-win.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#15 - 2012-08-14 06:43:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
Look, some are fine giving their full API away when they join a corporation that requires that.

But once they've gone through the stuff to see if you're a spy, corp thief, corp ganker or what ever else, YOU just simply get a new API key if you haven't made the previous one expire in 3 days, which should be more then enough time for the paranoid corporation to see if you are who you say you are.

Simple, piece of cake.
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Doomheim
#16 - 2012-08-14 06:44:33 UTC
Make a private chat chan and *** cyber in there instead?
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
#17 - 2012-08-14 06:48:22 UTC
That's pretty ridiculous.

Whoever these people are, wherever they are from.. make sure they don't vote. That **** doesn't need to spread.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#18 - 2012-08-14 06:51:03 UTC
While I am a noob on the subject of how people run their corps... but for some reason I don't get the feeling that this is a widespread problems as probably most pilots would dislike this "feature" and hence noone would be in the corps, sounds more like this is a corp run different from most others, in which case like many pointed out you will probably be more comfortable in another corp.

But then I don't know how most corps are run so...

/c

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Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-14 06:51:52 UTC
The more I read it the more OP looks like a spy/thief. Why would talking to you be suspicious? Sounds like Solid C.E.O.'s to me.
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#20 - 2012-08-14 06:54:33 UTC
Quote:
So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy...


Thats a silly notion. Generally looking at a players character is a part of the recruitment process to see what skills they have and the like. No CEO worth a crap is going to spend time rifling through people's emails and anyone who requires you to do this is an idiot and doesn't deserve your loyalty.

Access to peoples Eve mail is not something good corps or alliances need to do. Its so easily circumvented anyway that its pointless to even attempt for corp leadership.

Good corps usually function on more privateering systems and the strongest are started by a tight group of RL friends who form the upper echelons of the corp.

In my corp I have 8 people that have full director access to everything, I trust them all explicitly because I know them all personally and I know they won't steal from the corporate wallet anymore than they would steal from my actual wallet. Anyone else that joins the corp is an outsider and effectively a privateer... a person who is welcome to participate, treated as a friend, but never actually trusted with anything he didn't earn himself. We form cells within the corp, hence a outsider can form his own crew, have his own wallet and run his crew as he pleases, but as far as security goes I'm not worried about it in the slightest because the corporate assets are as safe as you can possibly make them.

I would suggest looking for a better crew.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
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