EVE General Discussion

This is why I like Liang, he has some awesome ideas but you have to push it to his limits so he gets out of his chest what he really thinks.

Now we can discuss, these are some good and less good ideas but overall something that will not make the removal of OGB small gang pvp awful (despite some people thoughts I'm a huge fan of small gang pvp witch is in my eyes the most technical/interesting type of eve pvp)

If I can agree on most of your proposals I wouldn't like to see those links be fitted in whatever ship. We need new small hulls able to do this why not a New destroyer?
Providing buffs to gangs/fleets whatever should require dedication, at least some dedication.

Over all I like your ideas.

I disagree with putting them on ships that small - way to easy to alpha'd out the fight - but some new tier3 command ships that can only boost on-grid wouldn't go amiss - i.e. the Gallente infowar booster should be based on the vexor/ishtar hull, get many of the bonuses the ishtar does (but lose the drone range bonus) get slightly higher base resists and say 5800 base shields and armor plus keep the slot layout of the ishtar so it can be run in either armor or shield fleets - also increased capacitor to match the eos. Base Signature should be around 200-240 or so but have a signature reduction bonus per level in command ships that brings it down to about 115 with command ships V. Can use 3 links simultaneously maybe 5% racial, 3% non-racial bonuses for on-grid. With a similiar sort of theme for the others - the min and gal ones capable of shield and armor tanking ok and getting sig reduction bonus per level and the cal and amarr ones getting a racial tank bonus along the lines they have now with a HP and resist bonus per level.


EDIT: Tho I can see the point about ship type lock-in which is another reason why removing off-grid boosting isn't a great idea at the moment... it could freshen up destroyers if they could fit 1 link I guess.

-No one uses Tier 1 / 2 BCs for fleet links based on the next two points.

-Tech 3s offers the convenience of sporting all of their racial links, this "convenience" i believe needs toning down and give room to choice.

-A small minority flies fleet command ships with boosts, everybody else has the innate perception that the CMs 3% link boosts can be easily ruled out simply because you can have a superior Tech 3 vessel with superior bonused links and less SP requirement, as a valuable boosting vessel not fit for combat its best left in a safe spot.

-Entitlement over "I spent over a year training this alt, of course I deserve to be superior".

-Mining links shouldn't be affected as they are a non-combat domestic industry activity.

Oh ho.

Nope.

You mean.. a bubble that only works on pods?

What happens if your small gang is attacked by 10 small gangs?

You see, this sort of stuff keeps subs down. Looks like a scam. I can explain...


"You need a alt scout to - insert travel activity in kill-everything-that-moves-for-no-reason-land here".
"In order to have what you need without having to pay a lot of ISK, you need an indy alt".
"PVP does not pay well, but if you don't PVP, then you are the lowest form or carebear scum who should go back to WOW. But you still need a carebear alt to grind lvl 4 in high sec to pay for it all."


Ok so we are up to 4 accounts, scout alt, indy alt, carebear alt or if the carebear is the main, a "PVP alt".



Oh, but there appears to be a need for an OGB alt too.

And if you don't have one, you lose. And if you lose, your KB won't look good, and your pee pee will get smaller. (at least everybody acts like it does)


Looks like a scam: "To play EvE, you need at least 4 accounts, maybe 5. That's 60 to 75 dollars a month, or grinding Incursions".


To play in the past you had how many accounts?


So CCP will suffer because people are going to rage-unsub their OGB alts?

I think it's already suffering because people see a game where you can play with one account, and be the ass that gets kicked, but he who has the money for 4-5X the amount or some means of paying the rent and playing every day get to be the boot that does the kicking. if you want to be the boot too, you gotta pay more.

That's almost as bad as Pay To Win. People see it that way, and say to hell with it.

I remember how everybody was freaking out over the idea of P2W, rage quitting, shooting the Jita monument, and the joke is we already have a P2W system. CCP is slow to make changes because all of that laughing at us (we deserve) can be hard on the oxygen levels to the brain.

No, we are now completely destitute, because Makalu, in his infinite wisdom, saw our great weakness, and has ordered the primary of rifters ever since. We are now all out. Now would be the perfect time for -A- to drop more supers in our home system.

Some people want pay money for IWIN button, i try to explain it.

So is it JUST combat boosting theyre talking about or Orca too cause the only ppl I see QQing about it are combat ppl

Oh I see, so you really do support having command ships be the boosting ships because training a command ship pilot takes longer than a tech III pilot. But oh darn no bubble immune and eccm ss-ing the command ship.

These threads make me laugh. All the dev statments are and have been that off-grid boosting was never working as intended. The game is about putting your ships at risk or into a battle, not having them somewhere accross the solar system safe while having an effect on the outcome of a fight or mining op. People can stomp their feet here all they like. But it is unlikely to make daddy change his mind about taking away the candy.

As for the mining folks. An orca in a belt is just as fine as command ships and tech IIIs in a fight. As for Rorqual and Titan boosts and being off-grid I have little sympathy. Certainly we have too many titans in-game now and more need to die. I don't see how it should be any different for the Rorquals. Think of the demand not just the supply