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Why Off Grid booster nerf won't happen (ever) or won't be what you think

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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-08-14 00:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Alot of people whining about off grid boosters being OP and unfair, even though they have been around for a very long time. Lol

I don't think CCP is ready to pull the plug on off grid boosting, because the fact of the matter is ... There many accounts being plexed and paid for just so they can provide the boosts.

CCP is a business afterall and it isn't good for business to be making changes that will reduce their income. I for one don't really feel too strongly how this matter is resolved, but I will unsub my OGB toon if they remove off grid boosting. Thats $15 a month less income for CCP. I'm sure many other OGB alt owners feel the same.



I have a reasonable solution though.

If I worked at CCP I would do the following:

1. No boosting inside a POS bubble (this is just downright unfair)

2. T3s can only boost for around 5 pilots or so, limiting their use to small gangs only. Buff to small gang warfare, which is never a bad thing. Unless you are a blobbing noob.

3. Fleet Command ships keep their 3% bonus, but also can give bonuses to the entire fleet. Maybe even buff their survivability a bit.


POS whiners are happy, Small gangs are happy, and command ship pilots can perform their role without T3s getting in the way. Unsubs are minimal, and gameplay/balance/whatever is fixed.


EDIT:

I see alot of people agreeing with my second suggestion, the one which has the T3 only boost for a limited amount of people.

I honestly think that is a great idea and would like to see CCP do that if they do infact want to change the boosting mechanics. Anybody that thinks this is a bad idea I just assume to be a blobbing noob that can't stand small gang pvp.

It seems like the community (Forums, anyways..) are completely against anything that somehow effects their style of play without considering the other players who are also playing the same game. Look a couple threads over and people are raging about ASB and how they can't just blob somebody to make them go away. The threads are endless.

I encourage everybody in this thread to stop thinking about only your playstyle and instead think of how you can improve the game for everybody with a meaningful compromise.
Beat General
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-08-14 01:02:21 UTC
This actually isn't a bad idea.

Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-08-14 01:06:24 UTC
Sounds fair.

James315 for CSM 8!

Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-08-14 01:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
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Jess Maine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-08-14 01:12:01 UTC
Sure, why not.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-08-14 01:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Qvar Dar'Zanar
Yeah... Surely you pay their sub with RL money.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-14 01:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Yeah... Surely you pay their sub with RL money.



Every sub in the game is paid for with RL money.

Even when you plex, somebody pays for that plex.

What, did you think CCP seeded plexes for free? Lmfao.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-08-14 01:31:43 UTC
If you don't buy PLEX for your buff alts, the price of PLEX would be less for single account players.

Unless a large percentage of the Elite players are paying for their buff alts with real $ (unlikely) then get ready for the off-grind nerf.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-08-14 01:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Sentamon wrote:
If you don't buy PLEX for your buff alts, the price of PLEX would be less for single account players.

Unless a large percentage of the Elite players are paying for their buff alts with real $ (unlikely) then get ready for the off-grind nerf.


That makes no sense.


The higher the price of PLEX, the higher the incentive for people to buy it and sell it on the market. PLEX costs more than a sub, so every time somebody buys a PLEX to sell on the market or to consume, CCP wins.

If anything, accounts that are fueled by PLEX are worth more to CCP than cash.

Do you think somebody is more likely to PLEX if it is worth 300mil or 500mil?

I think you are forgetting that CCP is the one who will be making the change and not the players. Just because players want cheap PLEX doesn't mean that their willpower is going to magically make CCP do something to nerf PLEX prices.


I really hope you are trolling, for your sake. Ugh
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
#10 - 2012-08-14 02:16:53 UTC
Making them ongrid would still be cooler.

Just learn to dualbox a bit better and you're fine
Beat General
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-08-14 02:23:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Beat General
Sheynan wrote:
Making them ongrid would still be cooler.

Just learn to dualbox a bit better and you're fine


Did ya read the OP mate?

lool.

Or matter of fact, do you even know how OGBs work?
LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-14 03:09:05 UTC
You know if off-grid boosting was nerfed then more CS pilots would be needed in fleets=your character just became more valuable than before. Then if you decide you don't want it anymore, sell it, I am sure there are plenty of buyers then.

Just saying.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-08-14 03:27:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
LilRemmy wrote:
You know if off-grid boosting was nerfed then more CS pilots would be needed in fleets=your character just became more valuable than before. Then if you decide you don't want it anymore, sell it, I am sure there are plenty of buyers then.

Just saying.


I don't think anybody would really want a pilot that can only fly a tengu, with no gunnery or missile skills what so ever, or any shield/armor skills, or barely any fitting skills.

Or if they do they won't be willing to pay much.

You need to train more than just leadership to fly a CS.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-08-14 03:45:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Theodoric Darkwind
Nah you will just see boosters on grid, at least in good size fleet fights, the bonuses are worth having even if that means having CSes on grid during big fights (even now its not uncommon to see a vulture or damnation on grid). The highsec ~elitepvpers~ who wont solo without their OGB, OOC logi or falcon alts might get a bit butthurt though.

Would help a ton if the warfare processor sub was either not a defensive sub or included a tank bonus so you could tank up a boosting tech 3 at least to the level of a command ship if not more.

Would also help if training a boosting pilot didn't require a year of the worst possible remap in existence. WC5 and FC5 are probably the 2 worst skill trains in the game.
LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-08-14 03:49:58 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
LilRemmy wrote:
You know if off-grid boosting was nerfed then more CS pilots would be needed in fleets=your character just became more valuable than before. Then if you decide you don't want it anymore, sell it, I am sure there are plenty of buyers then.

Just saying.


I don't think anybody would really want a pilot that can only fly a tengu, with no gunnery or missile skills what so ever, or any shield/armor skills, or barely any fitting skills.

Or if they do they won't be willing to pay much.

You need to train more than just leadership to fly a CS.



They would be worth more than they are now.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-08-14 03:52:05 UTC
LilRemmy wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
LilRemmy wrote:
You know if off-grid boosting was nerfed then more CS pilots would be needed in fleets=your character just became more valuable than before. Then if you decide you don't want it anymore, sell it, I am sure there are plenty of buyers then.

Just saying.


I don't think anybody would really want a pilot that can only fly a tengu, with no gunnery or missile skills what so ever, or any shield/armor skills, or barely any fitting skills.

Or if they do they won't be willing to pay much.

You need to train more than just leadership to fly a CS.



They would be worth more than they are now.


I'm pretty sure an OGB alt will be worth more before the nerf, rather than after the nerf.
LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-08-14 03:57:15 UTC  |  Edited by: LilRemmy
Diesel47 wrote:
LilRemmy wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
LilRemmy wrote:
You know if off-grid boosting was nerfed then more CS pilots would be needed in fleets=your character just became more valuable than before. Then if you decide you don't want it anymore, sell it, I am sure there are plenty of buyers then.

Just saying.


I don't think anybody would really want a pilot that can only fly a tengu, with no gunnery or missile skills what so ever, or any shield/armor skills, or barely any fitting skills.

Or if they do they won't be willing to pay much.

You need to train more than just leadership to fly a CS.



They would be worth more than they are now.


I'm pretty sure an OGB alt will be worth more before the nerf, rather than after the nerf.


Well, you are wrong. Leadership skills would become more valuable since demand would increase by a lot. I am not knocking your ideas or anything but just knocking that part of your argument because it is wrong.

edit; actually, I would knock on your suggestions too if I had the time.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#18 - 2012-08-14 03:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
OP is totally right. Remember how CCP never nerfed Falcon range and so everyone still has a Falcon alt?



Long-term game balance is far more important for CCP's bottom line than short-term alt subscriptions. CCP isn't dumb and recognizes this. Off-grid boosting is going to be removed and yes, your alt is going to become useless.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-08-14 04:05:52 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
OP is totally right. Remember how CCP never nerfed Falcon range and so everyone still has a Falcon alt?



Long-term game balance is far more important for CCP's bottom line than short-term alt subscriptions. CCP isn't dumb and recognizes this. Off-grid boosting is going to be removed and yes, your alt is going to become useless.


nice supply of cheap alts for us null residents to finish training into proper CS pilots.
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-08-14 04:07:30 UTC
It will happen, once CCP figures out how to make on-grid-boosters viable while nerfing off-grid at the same time.
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