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Machariel or Tengu for Anoms?
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Winimatar
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-08-13 15:05:15 UTC
Hi guys and gals,

Just out of curiosity really, I can fly both the Tengu and Machariel with T2 launchers/guns, Tengu has 700DPS but Machariel has 1100DPS.

I usually farm Serpentis Forsaken Hubs for Isk and the odd belt or 2 but I heard from some people that the Tengu is better for Isk/Tick than a Machariel.

Is this correct even tho the Machariel has 400DPS more? Most mobs in the Forsaken Hub hang around 10-15km from me

Cheers for reading :)
Sir Livingston
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-08-13 15:26:45 UTC
Do you have access to Singularity?

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Winimatar
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-13 15:36:00 UTC
Sir Livingston wrote:
Do you have access to Singularity?


I dont at the moment :(
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#4 - 2012-08-13 16:25:49 UTC
Mach > tengu

Not today spaghetti.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-08-13 17:24:05 UTC
tengu is so poplular because its relatively easy to skill for and offers an awesome combination of good damage and a fantastic tank (signature). that makes it an awesome ship for plexing, wh operations and missions.

a vindicator for example is much better for forsaken hubs, a machariel should perform equal or better
Winimatar
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-08-13 20:57:19 UTC
Thank you everyone for your advice :)

I will get a machariel and give it a go and see what the ticks are like, then train for t2 hybrids and test that hehe :D
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-08-15 04:29:10 UTC
I am just facing up to the same issue in guristas space, and started testing last night. I brought a tengu and a mach in to try.

My initial observations are: Tengu is way safer tank-wise but not terribly quick to kill; Mach is a little more vulnerable (altho will be less so once I get the hang of the sites) but kills them much quicker.

My solo tengu was running at around 15M per tick, where my flown Mach was around 26M. I still have a lot to learn tho.

Veterans in our space tell me that the vindi is quicker again than the mach … but I don’t have the hybrid weapon skills for it. Those vets also advise to dual-ship in two separate sites at a time rather than put your two ships into the one site and clear it faster. I do have two toons who can fly decent Machs or Tengu, so I will probably do that once I am sorted.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#8 - 2012-08-15 04:34:58 UTC
Obligatory - I hate to derail this thread, but gonna derail...


why are you running amons in a mach/tengu?

Combat sites are where your exploration isk is at, via dedspace mods, namely the Ded sites

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Winimatar
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-15 07:55:33 UTC
Kilrayn wrote:
Obligatory - I hate to derail this thread, but gonna derail...


why are you running amons in a mach/tengu?

Combat sites are where your exploration isk is at, via dedspace mods, namely the Ded sites


The only reason I don't is because of my scanning skills to be honest but I do sometimes get escalations which I follow up on :)
Stetson Eagle
Paird Technology
#10 - 2012-08-15 11:24:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Stetson Eagle
45M ticks = Carrier ~ Vindicator > Dominix NI > Kronos = Machariel = Golem > Tengu(HAM) = Rattlesnake = Vargur >> Tengu(HM) = 30M ticks.

Depending on your ability to salvage and turn it into isk, Marauders can get pretty good, on par with the Vindicator.

Based on applied DPS in an applicable setup, taking ammo expenses into account. Carrier is overall best because of wide range of applied DPS without ammo cost (1500 gardes / 1000 wardens). Blaster Vindicator is on par with the Carrier, but requires more attention. Ham Tengu is superior to the HM fit, using BLAII + 2x flare rig setup. This is running Sanctums(ring), Forsaken Hubs and Havens(gate), in a full gank setup with +5% hardwires.