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Mr Big Daddy
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-08-13 15:04:11 UTC
I am about to start my venture into low sec piracy. From what I have been reading, a lot of my kills will be from catching people jumping through. What ship or ship types are best for this form of solo activity?

Thanks
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#2 - 2012-08-13 15:32:00 UTC
Most of what passes through gates in lowsec is frigs/covops/blockade runners which are a ***** to catch solo. PI haulers and newbie explorer types can be caught by anything with a sebo most of the time. An armor cane with a sebo and a web would probably work well enough.

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-13 17:39:44 UTC
If you're starting out and looking to hunt in the belts with minimal losses: Condor.

Its cheap, fast, and can tackle without worrying about incoming blobs.



Other great ships to start out lowsec piracy: Rupture, Rifter, Merlin, Incursus, Retribution, Thrasher. Thats just off the top of my head. There are tons of useful ships, you just have to find one that fits your style.

I'm back!
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-08-13 17:41:34 UTC
As for camping the gates alone, Cov Ops Tengu.

AshenShugar01 has been doing this for years. Have a scout alt though for convenience.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#5 - 2012-08-13 20:10:52 UTC
Mr Big Daddy wrote:
I am about to start my venture into low sec piracy. From what I have been reading, a lot of my kills will be from catching people jumping through. What ship or ship types are best for this form of solo activity?

Thanks


My suggestion for entry level piracy would be to get a T1 frig and go play in the FW areas. Hit missions and plexes - especially if you see someone in them. I'd probably start with the Tormentor or Executioner, but Jude's suggestion of the Condor is pretty sound.

Also, come visit Amamake and ask for T1 frig 1v1s... at the very least you'll get a taste of how to fly the ships. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2012-08-13 21:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
I know it isn't what you are looking for but I should mention it.

It would be advantageous to look into joining a Corporation that are or often does pirate activity. I'm not saying don't do solo stuff but having corp mates who will join you from time to time as well as constant advice from multiple experienced people to your every question will be a great advantage to you. They can help you with hunting locations, ship fits, routes to take, a home base station or two, logistic supply lines, places to farm ISK and many other things.

There are a lot of advantages to finding a good PvP friendly corp that lives in Low Sec.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-08-14 10:08:48 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I know it isn't what you are looking for but you I should mention it.

It would be advantageous to look into joining a Corporation that are or often does pirate activity. I'm not saying don't do solo stuff but having corp mates who will join you from time to time as well as constant advice from multiple experienced people to your every question will be a great advantage to you. They can help you with hunting locations, ship fits, routes to take, a home base station or two, logistic supply lines, places to farm ISK and many other things.

There are a lot of advantages to finding a good PvP friendly corp that lives in Low Sec.


Very true. Its hard to survive in lowsec with zero friendlies and zero incoming intel. It can be done, but its tough for newer guys.

I'm back!
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#8 - 2012-08-14 11:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
Jude Lloyd wrote:
As for camping the gates alone, Cov Ops Tengu.

AshenShugar01 has been doing this for years. Have a scout alt though for convenience.



Yeah, that 300 DPS will really smack them down :/

Armour tanked Cane is my preffered low sec tomfoolery boat, HAM Drakes works pretty well too.


[Hurricane, Came]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


EC-300 x4
EC-600 x1



[Drake, Ham]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


EC-300 x5

Drake has more buffer and marginally better DPS on larger targets but can struggle with smaller stuff, Cane has Dual webs, Dual Neuts and can fit an ECCM if you wish (Because of Falcon) so will decimate smaller stuff, as well as being very capable of taking on the bigger stuff, the Dual neuts can shut down Hardeners and Active tanks (Particularly handy for taking down PVE fits which rely on passive Regen)

Personally I prefer the Cane for better versatility, but its preference.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-08-14 19:24:28 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Jude Lloyd wrote:
As for camping the gates alone, Cov Ops Tengu.

AshenShugar01 has been doing this for years. Have a scout alt though for convenience.



Yeah, that 300 DPS will really smack them down :/


But it does...

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#10 - 2012-08-14 19:49:05 UTC
As the flyer of T1 industrials and the like around low sec, I can tell you that most gate camping solo will not work. Any low sec industrialist knows how to survive against solo or small camps easily. Larger camps can and will squish just about anything that tries to get through... but unless you're in a high traffic area, it's hard to get enough dropped loot to make it worth your while.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-08-15 04:05:32 UTC
I prefer the Kestrel. I use a setup with a Target Painter, point, and MWD, and it was a ***** to fit as it now has 0 PG and 3 CPU remaining.

Range is 15km with its light missiles, 40 second capacitor while running everything, 2500 m/s top speed, 60 DPS.

Its a pretty reliable ship, downed a 28 million ISK faction catalyst, rupture, and indy with some friends on a roam today with it.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#12 - 2012-08-15 11:58:56 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
I prefer the Kestrel. I use a setup with a Target Painter, point, and MWD, and it was a ***** to fit as it now has 0 PG and 3 CPU remaining.

Range is 15km with its light missiles, 40 second capacitor while running everything, 2500 m/s top speed, 60 DPS.

Its a pretty reliable ship, downed a 28 million ISK faction catalyst, rupture, and indy with some friends on a roam today with it.



Frigs are good for roaming gangs that engage in belts/mission space.

Piracy in frigates at gates however won't work. The gate sentries will pretty much insta-pop you once you agress.
You idealy need something BC upwards or T2/T3 that can survive the gate sentry fire for a at least acouple of minutes. Some T1 cruisers can do this but it's very difficult without nerfing your dps.

As previously mentioned the drake (as much as I hate the damn things) is a good choice, as is the cane. I used to find hictors, especialy a ganky broadsword ideal for this sort of thing.
Your other option is a long range sniper fit, something like a 1400 mael/tornado or a tachapoc. You can sit outside of the gate gun range and pop stuff, but you can't really loot anything and will let a lot of stoff through in the BS hulls as even with multiple sebos you will struggle to lock smaller hulls before they warp.

Also a lot of the highsec/lowsec border systems will be the home of pirate corps, espacialy the busier ones. Join them. Smile

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
illirdor
Upper Class Goat
#13 - 2012-08-15 19:50:43 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Jude Lloyd wrote:
As for camping the gates alone, Cov Ops Tengu.

AshenShugar01 has been doing this for years. Have a scout alt though for convenience.



Yeah, that 300 DPS will really smack them down :/


But it does...

-Liang


except most of his kills are not in a tengu...

Soooo this is my sig.... 
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#14 - 2012-08-15 20:05:56 UTC
illirdor wrote:
except most of his kills are not in a tengu...


It doesn't really matter. He's still got hundreds that are.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-08-16 02:32:39 UTC
illirdor wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Jude Lloyd wrote:
As for camping the gates alone, Cov Ops Tengu.

AshenShugar01 has been doing this for years. Have a scout alt though for convenience.



Yeah, that 300 DPS will really smack them down :/


But it does...

-Liang


except most of his kills are not in a tengu...


He has over 1000 Tengu kills. So thats quite a bit.

I'm back!
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#16 - 2012-08-17 13:21:35 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I know it isn't what you are looking for but you I should mention it.

It would be advantageous to look into joining a Corporation that are or often does pirate activity. I'm not saying don't do solo stuff but having corp mates who will join you from time to time as well as constant advice from multiple experienced people to your every question will be a great advantage to you. They can help you with hunting locations, ship fits, routes to take, a home base station or two, logistic supply lines, places to farm ISK and many other things.

There are a lot of advantages to finding a good PvP friendly corp that lives in Low Sec.


Very true. Its hard to survive in lowsec with zero friendlies and zero incoming intel. It can be done, but its tough for newer guys.


However few good pirate corporations take on very new players. I solo pirated for years with just a small group of friends who i could trust rather than expect strangers to know eve mechanics well enough to support me.

Same goes for everything in eve though: Experience is paramount.