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Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#1 - 2012-08-13 13:22:01 UTC
Hey guys,

At the moment i have 2 graphics cards which are ASUS Geforce ENGTX560's

http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/nvidia/20084736/asus_geforce_engtx560_dc_2di_1gd5_1_gb_pci_e/details.aspx

They seem to be giving me issues, cant run more than 2 clients of Eve Online being the main one. So im gunna be selling these cards on adverts.ie and buying different ones. Probably an AMD set since the rest of my rig is AMD also.

But question is would i be better off buying 2 x 1GB cards for similiar prices, or would it be better if i got 1 expensive card?

I was looking at this one:

http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ati__amd/80005326/msi_radeon_r7950_2pmd3gd5_oc_3gb_pci_e/details.aspx
Crrrazy Ivan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-13 13:33:44 UTC
Are you certain your graphics cards are the ones causing the problem? I'm finding it very hard to believe that you are unable to run more than two clients with two GTX 560's considering I run two clients with medium settings on a single card which is much worse. Has this problem been occurring since your initial purchase of the GPU's or has this been a recent issue? It might also be worth checking out your other components to see if they are functioning properly. Posting your computer specs would also help diagnose any issues.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#3 - 2012-08-13 13:36:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nirnias Stirrum
Trust me im as surprised as you are, i know these cards SHOULD support more than 2 clients, should easily handle 5 or 6 considering each one is dedicated to 1 monitor. Its baffled me for weeks now. I have to leave SLI turned off as if i turn that on all everything just goes to crap. I play with both clients in fixed window mode. Each card dedicated to running 1 client.

I dont have any issues with other games to be honest, its just Eve Online when using more than 2 clients.

Funny thing is if i run 2 clients and then open up a VM and launch another instance of eve inside the VM it works fine. But second i open up a 3rd client in my normal OS graphics stutter kicks in really bad.

It has been happening since i purchased them so it is not a recent issue. Iv done everything, reinstalled drivers, stress tested them. Taken them out and reseated them.

My specs are:

Mobo: Sabertooth 990FX
CPU: AMD-FX8150
RAM: 16GB Corsair DDR3 1600MHZ
Crrrazy Ivan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-08-13 13:40:02 UTC
Let me just clarify, are you completely unable to run more than two clients or is running more than two clients providing FPS issues?
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#5 - 2012-08-13 13:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nirnias Stirrum
Running more than 2 clients provides FPS issues.

Frame rate plummets when i open a 3rd client on both monitors. Making it impossible to play. Everything stops and starts. And thats just sitting in station.
Crrrazy Ivan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-08-13 13:51:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Crrrazy Ivan
Is there any chance you could provide FPS rates when running two clients and then three clients using the inbuilt FPS function in Eve? (CTRL + F I believe). Furthermore, if you have any old, yet still functioning graphics card at home I would recommend switching out the 560's for that GPU in order to test whether the 560's are the issue. Try clearing your cache in Eve to see if that has any impact on your third client. In addition, this isn't the first time I've seen a thread with people claiming that running more than two clients produces more than proportionate FPS loss however, if this was a case of conflicting hardware then the FPS loss would be evident from running the first and second clients. If this still doesn't produce any positive results I strongly recommend filing a bug report as spending a bucket load of cash on other graphics card may, or may not solve the issue.
stoicfaux
#7 - 2012-08-13 13:53:05 UTC
Dumb questions:
* how much memory do you have and how much is being used?
* did you disable sound in the clients?
* are your disk drive(s) slowing you down? (not likely)
* what temp are you cards showing as you add each client?
* and just to be clear, you are NOT using captain's quarters, correct?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-08-13 13:58:04 UTC
(sarcasm on) Yep, you need new video card. (sarcasm off)

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#9 - 2012-08-13 13:59:11 UTC
Crrrazy Ivan wrote:
Is there any chance you could provide FPS rates when running two clients and then three clients using the inbuilt FPS function in Eve? (CTRL + F I believe). Furthermore, if you have any old, yet still functioning graphics card at home I would recommend switching out the 560's for that GPU in order to test whether the 560's are the issue. Try clearing your cache in Eve to see if that has any impact on your third client. In addition, this isn't the first time I've seen a thread with people claiming that running more than two clients produces more than proportionate FPS loss however, if this was a case of conflicting hardware then the FPS loss would be evident from running the first and second clients. If this still doesn't produce any positive results I strongly recommend filing a bug report as spending a bucket load of cash on other graphics card may, or may not solve the issue.


This isnt the first thread iv made about it either, i filed a bug report about it a few months back (though i cannot recall if it was for these cards or if it was my previous cards). If it was these cards i will have screen shots of all the FPS rates running the clients in different states. At the moment i am in work so cant get access to them as they are stored on my home PC.

I think i have an old ATI 4650 somewhere in a closet i can use.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#10 - 2012-08-13 14:00:38 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Dumb questions:
* how much memory do you have and how much is being used?
* did you disable sound in the clients?
* are your disk drive(s) slowing you down? (not likely)
* what temp are you cards showing as you add each client?
* and just to be clear, you are NOT using captain's quarters, correct?


16GB memory.
im gunna assume the sound one is a joke.
Disk Drives dont slow me down.
Temps hit between 60-70 when running 2 clients.
And that is correct that horrible captains quarters is turned off permanently.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-08-13 14:42:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
When client optimized for quality, my two clients take ~700 MB of video ram, fps is 20-30 for each client, screen shot: http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/Caleidascope/a79480be.jpg I would not try to fit third client on 1 GB card, the card might run out of video ram.

My guess is that your troubles are not hardware, but software. Either nVidia drivers are not working with the clients, CCP EVE Online clients are not working with drivers.

You could try a simple experiment. Use just one card. Turn all the video options in the clients off. See how many clients you can fit on one card.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Musashibou Benkei
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-08-13 14:55:32 UTC
I've never really liked running Crossfire or SLi since the drivers that cater for this, generally aren't as good as using a single card. I am currently running 9 clients on a single card and it's all smooth as anything getting 70+ fps on all 9.

My system stats:
CPU - Intel i7 960 3.2Ghz
RAM - Corsair 12GB triple channel
Mobo - Asus Rampage III GENE
GPU - nVidia GTX580

P.S. perhaps your cpu and graphics cards are having a little fight over which brand is better : P
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#13 - 2012-08-13 15:16:07 UTC
Lol i was thinking that as some issue but i dismissed it as hardware is "supposed" to be largely interoperable in this day and age.

Graphics would win anyways, graphics cards crunch numbers much better than CPU's!

Ugh i seriously dont get this and its annoying the hell out of me.

Thanks for all the comments guys, they are much appreciated.
stoicfaux
#14 - 2012-08-13 17:06:30 UTC
Sound isn't a joke. It's rare, but I have seen cases where sound caused problems. In this case, I would be worried that you have a weak sound card that cannot multi-task well enough to handle multiple clients, i.e. is the sound card causing a bottleneck?


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#15 - 2012-08-14 08:21:30 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Sound isn't a joke. It's rare, but I have seen cases where sound caused problems. In this case, I would be worried that you have a weak sound card that cannot multi-task well enough to handle multiple clients, i.e. is the sound card causing a bottleneck?



Iv never heard of that issue before. But no i dont have a sound card in my machine, i use the onbourd surround sound thingy thats part of my motherboard.