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So you are new, and wanting to join a corp
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Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-08-17 11:46:14 UTC
Telling new players to start out of PvP corps?

Why?

A new player, frigate with a scram/web/disruptor is INVALUABLE to a fleet on camps and moving gangs.

Simply because most ceos are children with attitudes. Does not mean a new player is useless
Oraac Ensor
#42 - 2012-08-17 23:55:53 UTC
mkint wrote:
The most enjoyment I've ever had in EVE was defending against highsec wardecs, which is something you can only do in a player corp. There are a lot of things you *must* be in a player corp to do at all, and quite a few more where you have to be in a good player corp. That said, EVE is a sandbox... play your game your way.

However, the classic example of "filling the gaps" with a player corp, especially for rookies, is having someone in corp who can do a 100% refine, to help out those who aren't there yet, or reprocess loot for people who can't easily justify training the skills for a 100% reprocess. Or having an industrialist who can build a T3 from the mats you've been collecting (the tower for which might be financed and fueled by corp taxes.) Or someone who will fleet with you in lvl 4 missions while you're still getting the hang of spawn triggers, or even still training a ship that can solo them. There are lots and lots of ways to fill the gaps, especially for rookies, as there are many many more gaps to fill. Between myself and my alts, there isn't a lot I can't do, and often fill gaps for even seasoned players (i.e. freightering, or capital jumping.)

None of which in any way justifies the oft-repeated claim that every new player will enjoy the game more if they join a player corp.

YOU might enjoy defending against highsec wardecs, I would detest every second of it. The other things you mention might make some things a bit more convenient, but I doubt that I would find those small advantages outweighed the disadvantages of having to tailor my game to the requirements of others and/or put up with crap that I don't want, like ego-trip wardecs from knobhead CEOs and their corp members whose only pleasure in life is being a complete arse to as many others as possible.
Dirty Wizard
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-08-18 00:36:47 UTC
There's nothing wrong with writing a guide on an alt. I did it and it seems to have turned out well. I believe most of the criticism stems from two things (I really am trying to be constructive with my criticism).

The first is that the guide seems rushed and your thoughts seem scattered. It seems like you just sat down in front of your computer, navigated to the eve forums, then decided on an impulsive whim to write a guide straight into the forums themselves. When I wrote mine, I had various drafts and entire sections I threw out in editing. Lots of spell checking, fact checking and additional research took me almost two weeks to write the damn thing. No offense intended, but it seems like you wrote yours in 15 minutes or less.

The second thing is the context of the guide itself. Some parts seem questionable while other parts are factually incorrect. Plus the underlying tone of the guide suggests that you were upset at the time you wrote it and writing this was your way of venting. There's nothing inherently wrong with being passionate about a subject when writing, however sometimes having too much carryover can be detrimental and detract from the point you're making.

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Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-08-18 00:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Zanzbar
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mkint
#45 - 2012-08-18 01:41:44 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
mkint wrote:
The most enjoyment I've ever had in EVE was defending against highsec wardecs, which is something you can only do in a player corp. There are a lot of things you *must* be in a player corp to do at all, and quite a few more where you have to be in a good player corp. That said, EVE is a sandbox... play your game your way.

However, the classic example of "filling the gaps" with a player corp, especially for rookies, is having someone in corp who can do a 100% refine, to help out those who aren't there yet, or reprocess loot for people who can't easily justify training the skills for a 100% reprocess. Or having an industrialist who can build a T3 from the mats you've been collecting (the tower for which might be financed and fueled by corp taxes.) Or someone who will fleet with you in lvl 4 missions while you're still getting the hang of spawn triggers, or even still training a ship that can solo them. There are lots and lots of ways to fill the gaps, especially for rookies, as there are many many more gaps to fill. Between myself and my alts, there isn't a lot I can't do, and often fill gaps for even seasoned players (i.e. freightering, or capital jumping.)

None of which in any way justifies the oft-repeated claim that every new player will enjoy the game more if they join a player corp.

YOU might enjoy defending against highsec wardecs, I would detest every second of it. The other things you mention might make some things a bit more convenient, but I doubt that I would find those small advantages outweighed the disadvantages of having to tailor my game to the requirements of others and/or put up with crap that I don't want, like ego-trip wardecs from knobhead CEOs and their corp members whose only pleasure in life is being a complete arse to as many others as possible.

Read carefully. I specifically said don't let anyone tell you how to play. With that caveat I shared my own experiences. In fact where I am at irl I'd prefer a solo experience and am working out a way to live as a hermit. To make any blanket statement is dumb, and the op's post is the kind of advice that drives people away.

Joining a corp is not particularly risky. Statisticall, joining a corp will make you play more. If you have fun is up to you, don't let strangers questionable advice, or even trusted corp mates dictate your fun.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-08-18 12:37:00 UTC
As per my earlier comment about u warning new players to stay away from pvp

http://ldc.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14366828

4 of those players on that killmail are new players
Mexan Caderu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-08-20 05:30:37 UTC
Donno' if the Americans invented the phrase, but 'hope for the best, prepare for the worst' comes to mind.
The OP exposes [some of] the worst of eve . If you take that away, only [some of] the best of eve remains
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