EVE General Discussion

your stupid character portait fits you well.


while it is in your own universe pay to win, someone is buying plex with isk they made them selves.

so u buy plex, plex sits on market, market must move via player trading, player buys plex with ISK. isk is not being bought as you arent getting an in game advantage, your just being a noob and spending money on a video game item that is redeemable for in game credit.


pay to win is defined as PAYING for an item that makes you WIN.

aka. i pay for a ship that doesnt not explode,

aka2, i pay for a ship that insta warps to your locations and pods you constantly, over and over. (edit: I would actually pay for this one, in gold.)


aka3, paying for a plex and selling it on the market gives no in game advantage besides being able to do multiple things with said item.



also, eat all my typos and enjoy them.

They need to do something to make up for the low population.

Sorry I'm with him on this, you have paid real money to CCP which you can then sell in game for currency, which you can then do anything you want with, that's pay to win, whether you paid ccp for the pleasure or an illegal third party, end result is the same real money into isk.

You are splitting hairs on this one.

Tal

In eve you can Pay 2 Win! FACT!
I have a friend who I tried to get to play eve for years and recently he dicided to give it a go.
However he is a rarther well off and inpatient guy so he bought lots of PLEX sold for isk used isk to buy a 30M SP max tengu character bought HG crystals and full faction gear went out (he had abit of pvp experience in smaller ships and knew the basics) and got 78 kills before he died at which point he quit and left.
Note: He did not rage quit as he actually made alot of isk in l00t he just couldnt be bothered playing anymore.
So yes you can pay to win but most dont bother wasting RL money on a spaceship game in which no amount of SP's or faction gear is a guarantee of sucess.

Ok. Can you point me to the part on the account management page where I can buy ISK (or a titan, for that matter)? Can you show me on the right-click menu for a PLEX where I can turn it into a titan?

No. I have paid for game time. Everything in EVE comes from game time. Without game time, nothing in the game would exist. If you want to call “playing the game” a form of “pay to win”, then the term has lost all meaning and offers no differentiator between, say, WoT, EVE, BF:whatever, chess, poker, or hopscotch.

What you're doing when you sell a PLEX is give someone else game time so they can grind ISK for you (or, more accurately, so they can grind ISK for someone else who comes along in a month — they've already done the grinding for you before you came along). What buys you that titan is the same thing as what everyone else uses to get the same thing: ISK and/or minerals gained through the expenditure of game time.

CCP isn't selling you anything other than gametime (and the occasional account service) ever. They most certainly aren't in the business of selling you in-game stuff, because that's not something that the game rules allow. It's really not any more complicated than that: if you pay real money for in-game items or currency, you have just broken the EULA.

Saw this question crop up on Twitter from the laudable @ChribbaVeldspar, so I asked some dudes who know more about this sort of thing than I do, since things are done a bit differently on Serenity considering the market (business and consumer).

Here's what they said.

TianCity doesn't sell ships for real world money.

The Vangel will be renamed on Serenity and a high-end Lenovo gaming rig will be given the same name, and the ship will be given out to a few players (in a contest or other fashion – TBD). This is a cross-promotion and again, those ships will not be sold for cash. The new “Vangel” will still be very rare on Serenity. In return we will have some pretty sweet promo opportunities with Lenovo.

Further transparency/clarification!
A couple other giveaways to mention just so that we're all on the same page:
--Gold Magnates were given for free to players that experienced a server issue on Serenity in July. Guess pretty bad server issue
--T1 frigates/destroyers/cruisers have been given out by TianCity to pique interest and hopefully raise the conversion rate. Nothing sold.

Hope this helps!

Nice clarification.


what was that one site that let you translate something multiple times and it turns out to be nothing like the beginning?


Although that doesn't really hold true here, a promotional item, such as the quafe shirt or whatever.

I don't know how this topic went all pay to win crazy.

Is it still in the long term plans to eventually merge with serenity?

Either way, good to know that they're at least renaming the ship.
It needs to be listed separately in the market so the originals retain their AT-only status.

I see this, overall, as no different than our amastris and ultramarine iterons.

The only way the China server would merge with trinity is if some kind of miracle happened in all the known dimensions of the string theory.


like democracy, shard puppy love, the birds and the bees, syncing without problems, asset relocation.


I could only imagine how difficult it would be to merge two servers...

like pos's in other pos' locations and what not.

Let's also be honest.

No one in their right mind would undock one of these ships, so it's hardly pay-to-win.
More like pay-to-spin.