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Elite Drone Parasite Bounty?
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Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#1 - 2012-08-13 05:14:55 UTC
So the "Elite Drone Parasite" now has a bounty!!!
Yay!!!

Finally, killing those 5 Drone BS's in "Silence the Informant" nets a decent payday!
Thanks for finally giving these guys a bounty CCP!

BUT...

(There's always one of those butts isn't there?)

I think 500k ISK is not quite enough for these guys.
They hit pretty hard, and can do quite a bit of DPS at range too.
Granted they're not the tankiest of rats, but they seem to be a "higher difficulty level" than most the other 500k-ish rats.

For example a "Gist Warlord" (common on "Angel Exraveganza") Has about the same amount of hit-points, but it does less DPS and has WAY less range (unless you count its missiles which are only a small portion of its total DPS). However the "Gist Warlord's" bounty is 543k ISK.

Another quick example: "Core Rear Admiral" has again, about the same hit-points, does less DPS and has less range yet has a higher (543k ISK) bounty.
"Core Admiral" is similar to the "Rear"; same HP, less damage, less range, 881k ISK bounty.

Those 2 Serpentis rats there do about 100DPS (kin and therm) with a max range of about 15km and the Elite Drone does TWICE the DPS (about 200DPS kin and therm) AND it has a range of about 65km

The Elite Drone is more on-par with say a "Core Lord Admiral" which has SLIGHTLY more HP (around 1k more), about 135DPS (notice this is STILL not as much as the Elite Drone does?) and it's range is only 16km, yet it's bounty is a whopping 1.218m ISK.

In conclusion, THANK YOU CCP for finally giving the Elite Drone Parasite a bounty! BUT... Could you increase it some to match its "difficulty-level" as compared to other L4 BSs? I think based on its stats (HP, raw DPS and ability to hit out to 65km) it should be AT-LEAST a 1m bounty rat.

Please don't nerf the rat, personally some of my favorite missions are the ones that have "difficult" rats in them, but usually you are rewarded a little better for kililng those "difficult" rats.

TL:DR
The "Elite Drone Parasite's" bounty of 500k doesn't match its "difficulty level", and should be increased to around 1mil

Thanks for reading! Any thoughts, support, criticism is appreciated!
CydonianKnight
Arbiters of the Void
#2 - 2012-08-13 13:50:25 UTC
I see what your saying, but compared to the other Rogue Drone BS it is by far the weakest.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-13 13:54:21 UTC
I thought it was 712k isk.

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Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#4 - 2012-08-13 17:47:59 UTC
CydonianKnight wrote:
I see what your saying, but compared to the other Rogue Drone BS it is by far the weakest.



"By far the weakest" I'm not the end-all expert of rats but according to Chruker, the HP is the same as all the rest. Sure, the resist are a LITTLE bit lower than some of the others but I'm talking about the DPS and range of it. Surely DPS and range should be figured into a rat's "difficulty" and consequently its bounty.

At 192DPS it has almost TWICE the DPS of all the rest of the drone BSs, and as I said its range is awsome. (40km Optimal + 24km fall-off.)

As a comparison, the "Alvus Queen" (The highest bounty drone rat) does only 88DPS, with 27.4 Optimal and 35 fall-off.
What all this means is sure, the "Queen" will take longer to kill (2500 more HP and slightly higher shield resists) but its DPS is pitifull in comparison. I would much rather fly into a room with 15 "Queens" (Storyline 'Evolution') than 15 "Elites". 15 Elites would make your ship go "pop" WAY faster than 15 "Queens".

Just think that HP isn't everything. A rat that does that much DPS should be higher than 500k ISK.

As of last night when I ran that mission it said 500k ISK anyway.
Suqq Madiq
#5 - 2012-08-13 17:52:40 UTC
How ******* entitled do you need to be for CCP to throw you a bone and you to throw it right back crying, "ME WANT BIGGER BONE!"?
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#6 - 2012-08-13 20:37:30 UTC
Suqq Madiq wrote:
How ******* entitled do you need to be for CCP to throw you a bone and you to throw it right back crying, "ME WANT BIGGER BONE!"?



You're absolutely right!
If any of us notice something that seems "off" in the game, we should just keep our mouths shut.

You might have noticed I said "thank you very much" already for the addition of a bounty to a BS rat that had no other reward whatsoever for killing it.

Sure, 500k ISK is better than nothing, I'm just saying it doesn't seem to be porportionate to the rat.
I'm not demanding CCP fix anything.
I never said I wasn't happy about the addition of a bounty.
I just figured I woud check with other EVE players to see if they had noticed this, and maybe if I get lucky, a Dev would chime-in and say "we wanted them that way because of 'x'".

I figured since drone bounties were a new thing (especially the "Elite" which up until the latest patch had no bounty), they might not be fine-tuned completely yet. Maybe CCP would be thankful to hear my feedback...

Anyway, you should probably go on about your business. Just play the game. If there seems to be anything you think needs fixing, just keep it to yourself. After-all, you wouldn't want to seem like you weren't greatful just to have SOMETHING.

If you look around, you might notice that the forums are a common place where people post about things they think need "fixing" or "tweaking". Maybe the forums aren't the best place for you?
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#7 - 2012-08-14 04:03:28 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
I thought it was 712k isk.


Just ran this mission a couple more times tonight.
Confirm it IS 500k ISK.
Dennis Gregs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-08-14 15:27:45 UTC
They die faster than some Serpentis BS with a lot less bounty, without even using proper damage type. I believe their bounty is more than enough.
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#9 - 2012-08-16 01:50:45 UTC
I guess the general consensus is that HP is the only factor that should be considered when determining bounties?

Personally, I dissagree whole-heartedly, but I guess I'm the only one who feels this way.
Sydney Nelson
Nelson Universal Aerospace
#10 - 2012-08-16 02:59:27 UTC
Dennis Gregs wrote:
They die faster than some Serpentis BS with a lot less bounty, without even using proper damage type. I believe their bounty is more than enough.


Let's assume for a second that HP is the ONLY thing that should matter when determining a rat's bounty like so-many other single dimmensional thinkers like to keep pointing-out over and over....

I'm not sure what you consider "a lot less bounty" but almost all the "low-bounty" Serp BS rats ring-in around 450k-ish. If 50k ISK is "a lot less bounty" then I guess you MIGHT have a point.
I capitalized "MIGHT" because the other stipulation of your argument was that these Serpentis BSs which have "a lot less bounty" are also supposedly much harder to kill.

Well, let's evaluate this claim...
"Core Commodore" 431k ISK bounty, 13,025 HP with average lowest resists of 41 Kin and 51 Therm.
"Port Admiral" 487k ISK bounty, 14,500 HP with average lowest resists of 42 Kin and 52 Therm.

Supposedly "Elite Drone Parasites" are easier to kill than these guys...
"Elite Drone Parasite" 500k ISK bounty, 15,000 HP with average lowest resists of 53 Kin and 49 Therm.

Weird! These Drone BSs which are supposed to "die faster" than the Serpentis ones have MORE HP with HIGHER resists.
How is that possible?

I dunno... Even IF we assume that HP is the only thing that matters, it seems to me that the Elite isn't "OMG WTF SOOOOO EASY" to kill as everyone seems to think.

Let's think multi-dimensionally for a second though, and pretend that things OTHER than just HP make a bit of difference.
Dammage and dammage projection

"Core Commodore" (one of the "uber harder than the Elite Drone to kill" Serp rats Dennis brought-up) does 86 DPS.
It's projection is 4km optimal + 6km fall-off.
YIKES! Look-out! That thing is a KILLER! At 20km, it's doing about 0 DPS....

On the other hand take the "Elite Drone". It does 192 DPS. (Yeah, that's more than twice as much as the Serp BS.)
It's projection is 40km optimal + 20km fall-off.