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What would happen if Null Sec had no Local?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#41 - 2012-08-13 03:10:49 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Edit or cap draining before warp so you come up short by a few AU...guess gates will be where it's at even if no local...

Yeah, that's it. You have a rather wide range that gets you able to D-scan.

Of course you'll never know if there's a cloaked dictor or so on but *shrug*

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Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-08-13 03:13:04 UTC
Andski wrote:
"we should remove local from nullsec so it will be JUST like wormholes"


Trying to decide if that is a vote for or a vote against! Pirate

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-08-13 03:15:52 UTC
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Andski wrote:
"we should remove local from nullsec so it will be JUST like wormholes"


Trying to decide if that is a vote for or a vote against! Pirate


>thinks that local is the only difference between wormholes and nullsec

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#44 - 2012-08-13 03:17:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Andski wrote:
"we should remove local from nullsec so it will be JUST like wormholes"

Trying to decide if that is a vote for or a vote against! Pirate

>thinks that local is the only difference between wormholes and nullsec

You think he missed the point of your post?

No way, everyone on the EVEO forums is always on top of things.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#45 - 2012-08-13 03:27:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Andski wrote:
"we should remove local from nullsec so it will be JUST like wormholes"


Trying to decide if that is a vote for or a vote against! Pirate


>thinks that local is the only difference between wormholes and nullsec


Eh, especially in your corner of it. Wormholes aren't, AFAIK, full of goons. Methinks some WH peeps would have a nasty shock wondering why their client was lagging so bad only to have a "small" 400 man goon fleet drop on them... saw it happen in Geminate, do not want to repeat. You guys stay over there I will stay over here...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-08-13 03:30:04 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Andski wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Andski wrote:
"we should remove local from nullsec so it will be JUST like wormholes"


Trying to decide if that is a vote for or a vote against! Pirate


>thinks that local is the only difference between wormholes and nullsec


Eh, especially in your corner of it. Wormholes aren't, AFAIK, full of goons. Methinks some WH peeps would have a nasty shock wondering why their client was lagging so bad only to have a "small" 400 man goon fleet drop on them... saw it happen in Geminate, do not want to repeat. You guys stay over there I will stay over here...


Nah, that's just 20 small roaming gangs intersecting each other and finding a target.

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Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-08-13 03:32:41 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Andski wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
Andski wrote:
"we should remove local from nullsec so it will be JUST like wormholes"

Trying to decide if that is a vote for or a vote against! Pirate

>thinks that local is the only difference between wormholes and nullsec

You think he missed the point of your post?

No way, everyone on the EVEO forums is always on top of things.



No, I know which side he fell on, last was just sarcasm Pirate

Wormholes are for only the truly paranoid players, some people can deal with it, some people can't. Not my place to say who plays where. In EVE you have to be flexible, to play by the rules no matter where you are. You have to adapt to your surroundings. I'm mostly a solo player ( in a corp), I've lost ships, and I can blame myself for all of them. I max yield mine with a hulk when I'm in Hi Sec, I know this makes it easier to gank, but I take that risk, I keep my eye's open, I know my surroundings. In hole, it's completely different, and in alot of ways, more fun Lol

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-08-13 05:47:53 UTC
One way to find out, lets remove it.

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Doomheim
#49 - 2012-08-13 05:51:51 UTC
Jaison Savrin wrote:
I would try to talk my corp into just moving into a WH. It'd be safer.


W space safest space.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-08-13 05:53:29 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
What would happen if Null Sec's local were removed and made like WH space?

1. Would it effect the big alliances? Sovereignty?

Nope.

YuuKnow wrote:
2. How would it change fleet combat? What fleet combat tatics would change?

Big fleet combat in sov fights? Nah.

YuuKnow wrote:
3. How would it change small gang/solo combat? Would small gang tatics change?

What small gang/solo combat? They'd spend most of their time trying to find eachother.

YuuKnow wrote:
4. How would it effect hot drops and capital ship combat?

Don't see why.

YuuKnow wrote:
5. Would null sec be more fun or less fun? Would it attract more players or less players?

It'd make L4s more popular than it already is, and depopulate nullsec even further than it already is.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#51 - 2012-08-13 05:54:04 UTC
Everybody would get really good at scanning.

All the renters would move to high sec and take all your belts. Smile

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#52 - 2012-08-13 05:59:08 UTC
When Eve first started local was essential in keeping players from feeling alone. There were only 30k subscribers at first and running across other players in null could be few and far between. Local was a tool to allow the server to... not feel utterly and completely empty all the time...

... now that we are above 350k subscribers with routinely 40k on at a time, local is not as necessary to combat the emptiness that existed at first. There is plenty of overcrowded systems to do that. Or in other words, local was an initial tool to facilitate more player-to-player interaction in a fledgling MMOPG at its beginnings. In the current state of the populated server local has served its purpose and perhaps can be re-examined to improve the gameplay of null sec.

and btw, in the usual Eve GenDis way, 95% of posted responses are useless troll post and only 5% of responses worth reading.

yk
YuuKnow
The Scope
#53 - 2012-08-13 06:02:55 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
It'd make L4s more popular than it already is, and depopulate nullsec even further than it already is.


Thank you for the responses. Care to elaborate on why you think this would be the case?

yk
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#54 - 2012-08-13 06:07:32 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
... now that we are above 350k subscribers with routinely 40k on at a time, local is not as necessary to combat the emptiness that existed at first.


http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Stain#jumps
YuuKnow
The Scope
#55 - 2012-08-13 06:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
Kuehnelt wrote:
YuuKnow wrote:
... now that we are above 350k subscribers with routinely 40k on at a time, local is not as necessary to combat the emptiness that existed at first.


http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Stain#jumps


Looks ideal to me. Good mix of high, medium, and low transit systems.

yk
Josef Djugashvilis
#56 - 2012-08-13 06:10:32 UTC
They would still moan about hi-sec, but not in local.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-08-13 06:11:12 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
It'd make L4s more popular than it already is, and depopulate nullsec even further than it already is.


Thank you for the responses. Care to elaborate on why you think this would be the case?

yk


Is it not obvious?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#58 - 2012-08-13 06:12:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
YuuKnow wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
It'd make L4s more popular than it already is, and depopulate nullsec even further than it already is.

Thank you for the responses. Care to elaborate on why you think this would be the case?

yk

Is it not obvious?

He's a troll, or someone that needs the EVEO forums to think for him.

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Ghost-Recon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-08-13 06:19:10 UTC
Notice that every single Goon that post lobbies hard against the removal of local? Lobbying pretty hard to the point it looks like they are actually threatened by the idea. I'ld support removing local just for that reason.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#60 - 2012-08-13 06:23:11 UTC
Ghost-Recon wrote:
Notice that every single Goon that post lobbies hard against the removal of local? Lobbying pretty hard to the point it looks like they are actually threatened by the idea. I'ld support removing local just for that reason.

You really should.

Go get er' done.

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