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Highsec (small) POS + Producing Fuel Blocks + ME/PE/Copying.
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Sally Bigguns
Down Under Technologies Inc.
#1 - 2012-08-13 00:08:25 UTC
Hi,

I am doing some research before i enter into this. I have a couple of questions about producing fuel blocks at a POS in highsec and doing ME / PE research and copying in highsec at the same POS. I am also unsure what defences i am best to have online vs. offline.

My current thinking is as below.

Tower : Small Amarr (more than likely upgrade to medium later on)

Online Modules

PG 1,025,000 / 1,250,000
CPU 1,300 / 1,375

1 x Assembly Array - Ammunition = 150,000 m3 - 5 Manufacturing Slots.
1 x Corporate Hangar Array = 1,400,000 m3
2 x Mobile Laboratory = 2 copy slot
6 ME slots
6 PE slots
10 Invention slots
4 x Turret - Projectile - Artillery, Small
4 x Turret - Projectile - Autocannon, Small

Offline Modules

1 x Shield Hardener - Ballistic Deflection
1 x Shield Hardener - Explosion Dampening
1 x Shield Hardener - Heat Dissipation
1 x Shield Hardener - Photon Scattering
+ EW Modules (what's the best here ? )


Questions :

1. What is best (array) for producing 1-2 months worth of fuel at a time ? I was looking at an Ammunition Assembly array. What are other/better options ? I would be only on-lining this when i needed to produce i figured.


2. What would be the best storage Array for :
* Ice i mine for the fuel blocks.
* PI Products for fuel blocks.

3. Would the Ammunition Assembly array be enough for 1 months worth of fuel (150,000 m3) (as raw materials and as finished blocks ) ?
Do i need to keep this online to make the storage space available ?


4. What should i primarily keep online ? Hardeners / Ewar / Guns ? I have chosen artillery because of selective damage types. I would also look at producing my own ammunition for these guns in the POS if possible.

5. I take it is not even remotely feasible to put a refinery array on a small pos ?

6. My primary aim is to do the research at the POS but i thought it might be nice to produce my Fuel at the same POS. Am i trying to do too much with a small POS ?

Thanks for taking the time to read this. I hope to gain alot of insight and advice from this thread.













Ayzn Betokhn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-08-13 00:26:54 UTC
I would say you are trying to do too much.

If research is the main goal of the POS, concentrate on that. It's easy enough to produce the fuel blocks at a station, so no reason to worry about the storage space at the pos itself. Usually, the research POS's are in the same system as a station, because otherwise it is obvious that any blueprints have to be present in the labs for any research, and then maybe your POS is more of a target. And as long as you have a corporation office in the same system (to research at the POS labs from the office), the corporation hangar array at the POS is somewhat redundant.

As far as defense, for small towers it's probably just as easy to take it down within the 24 hour warning if war decced. I don't know if anyone even bothers high sec POS's, it doesn't matter if it has technetium or cobalt, no one can mine the moon.
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
#3 - 2012-08-13 00:52:23 UTC
I am pretty sure you need an component array to manufacture fuel blocks at your POS, each type of array makes different items. You would have to store all your input items like pi and ice products in the component array in order to manufacture the fuel blocks. Anything extra you should store at a npc station to save space at your POS.

I wouldn't keep any defense online unless you are away for several days, no one can attack you without declaring war, so it's usually easier to just take it down like the other person suggested.

I don't think you can use a refinery in high sec, I think it is limited to a 0.4 system or less.

I would recommend picking a nice quiet system with a couple of npc stations that you have good standing with. It's never a good idea to draw too much attention to yourself.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#4 - 2012-08-13 02:06:30 UTC
Ammunition Arrays can make fuel blocks.

If you're not making ammo though, I'd suggest tossing the corp array, and ammo array, replacing them with a component array.

It can also make bocks, and provides 1,000,000 space. so It'll pretty much cover what you'll need, for lower requirements.


Anyway:
1: use a component array, if you're not also making ammo.
2: Component array. a little smaller, but still bigger than a freighter's hold.
3: Ammo array, iirc, has a capacity of 500,000m3. The moment you start producing stuff, the materials go away, freeing up the space.
4: Keep your productive stuff online. Keep the guns offline, unless you're wardeced. (even then, pulling it down isn't a bad idea)
5: They're not worth it. Just use a station. More efficient.
6: It's absolutely fine. you're limited in how many labs you can put in, so filling in the gaps with useful stuff isn't a bad idea. assembly arrays can improve your isk/hr, if you consider them free (which they kind of are, as you're paying for the POS for other reasons anyway)

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Aubrey Addams
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-08-13 11:23:37 UTC
My setup is just this simple:

1 small caldari tower
3 labs - 2xadvanced+1xsimple or something like that

I have 10 invention slots, 9 copy, and some research slots too. Better if you have 2 chars trained a bit to use all slots effective.

Manufacturing slots don't really need because you can easily find free manufacturing slots in high-sex for cheap.

My tower is in a quiet 0.6 system, I don't have any defense, I never was attacked / wardecced, and my pos stands for a year now.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#6 - 2012-08-13 14:26:02 UTC
First off there is absolutely no need for any online defensive modules in high sec. CONCORD will defend the POS unless the owning corp is war deced.

You can anchor what ever defenses you want and keep them offline. However I have not found much benefit even in that. offline defenses can be a deterrent. Since they have to wait 24 hours after a war dec before they can attack they will assume the defenses will be online by then. However it can also make you a target. What do you have in the POS that is so worth defending?

High sec POS bashes are very boring as there are no cap ships to take them down quickly. they need either a huge fleet of BS's and BC's or several hours to take down even a small POS. And they do not have the advantage of surprise as they must declare war at least 24 hours before they attack. Despite what some will have you believe it just does not happen often. The only high sec POS bashing I have seen in 5 years playing EVE is removing dead towers to get use of the moon, and even that is usually dead/inactive corps rarely any chance of defenders even having the choice to show up or not.

I had a small POS up in a fairly active system for over a year with no defense other than a few offline hardeners and never even got war deced let alone attacked. The only danger is if the high sec POS belongs to an alt corp for a null sec alliance. If their enemies find out about it, they may war dec the high sec corp. But even that is rare, as there would most likely be a defensive fleet.
Ginger Barbarella
#7 - 2012-08-13 15:18:42 UTC
In high it's not worth the money to try defending it. Just tear it down if wardec'd. Also, if you're anywhere near a population center or along a trade corridor expect to get wardec'd by losers that love pew but are too afraid to leave high.

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Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#8 - 2012-08-14 10:26:39 UTC
If you stay away on hub systems and dont manage to pissoff anyone you should be just fine. Just make sure your corporation has office in system so you can do remote research from npc stations corporate hanger. If pos goes boom, your bpo´s are still safely inside npc station.

if you get wardecked, small tower is easy enough to pull down befoe it goes active. And yes i do run small research tower on my alt corp :P

Personal opinion is, take down small tower if wardecked, it just cant fit enough defences to survive decent size enemy in war.

Heck even small Amarr tower can fit two mobile lab and one assembly array of some sort.. Asuming you really really want to manufacture something at pos. Personally i feel that npc station manufacturing slots are easy enough to find, unless i need that 0.75 time multiplier on manufacturing for some reason.

For purely research, i would go caldari tower - most cpu available for labs.

As long as your corporation has standings needed to anchor the tower in system, theres nothing preventing you to upgrade larger tower later when you start to feel its needed.

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