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How would you define a "carebear"?
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#161 - 2012-08-13 06:46:09 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:

[...] rabid animals are running rampant looking to ruin lives [...]



My God, he's serious, isn't he. Roll

EVE is a video-game, bru. That's all it is.

Say it with me:

VIDEO

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GAME.

IOW, as someone once said: "Nothing of any value was lost..." (Unknown)

Next!


Well, don't jump to conclusions. I heard gankers killed his father and raped his mother...


That was Jawas

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Frying Doom
#162 - 2012-08-13 06:53:10 UTC
Carebears are people who whine about changes, even if they would be better for them or better for the game. Also people who complain about there success and those of others. For example complaining about the success of a venture that results in a glut occurring on the markets and prices falling.

Carebears are not a type of people they are a state of mind.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Adalynne Rohks
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2012-08-13 08:06:05 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Carebears are people who whine about changes, even if they would be better for them or better for the game. Also people who complain about there success and those of others. For example complaining about the success of a venture that results in a glut occurring on the markets and prices falling.

Carebears are not a type of people they are a state of mind.


Ironically, this actually describes most of the gankers I've read, since I got started here.

I was on the carebear path when I started here, though. I'd consider it a mostly PvE, risk averse type who doesn't like people intruding into his or her activity. Primarily focused on making money/stuff and not into wasting money getting ships (stuff) blown up.

But then... I tried my first ninja loot... and I haven't done a mission since.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#164 - 2012-08-13 09:26:10 UTC
a typo of barebear?

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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#165 - 2012-08-13 19:02:44 UTC
I see a carebear as anyone who takes to the forums to complain, whine and moan about how others play the game. They seem to have an idea that they are the authority on the correct method to do things and rail to have the playstyles of those who do not do as they do nerfed into the basement. They are short sighted, never looking past either their egos or the ramifications of the changes that do get made.

In other words, they CARE too much about how others play, and cannot BEAR the idea of anyone enjoying the game in any manner that they do not agree with.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#166 - 2012-08-13 19:41:17 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
I see a carebear as anyone who takes to the forums to complain, whine and moan about how others play the game. They seem to have an idea that they are the authority on the correct method to do things and rail to have the playstyles of those who do not do as they do nerfed into the basement. They are short sighted, never looking past either their egos or the ramifications of the changes that do get made.

In other words, they CARE too much about how others play, and cannot BEAR the idea of anyone enjoying the game in any manner that they do not agree with.


So, ganker = carebear.
Anslo
Scope Works
#167 - 2012-08-13 19:45:03 UTC
The desirable 1% that decides if this game lives or dies Cool

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#168 - 2012-08-13 20:08:11 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:

In other words, they CARE too much about how others play, and cannot BEAR the idea of anyone enjoying the game in any manner that they do not agree with.

I lol'd

+1 internets to you...

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Jyuno Terkar
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2012-08-13 20:30:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jyuno Terkar
I'd define a carebear as an individual that would like the risk eliminated from their activities, or at least put into their control to a degree. This manifests usually in the idea of consensual only PvP since non-consensual PvP doesn't give the carebear the ability to dictate the risk involved in their activity as they're now coming under threat. Whereas with PvE, it gives the individual more control of how and when an activity is done.

Course I didn't sign up for EVE just to shoot NPC's all day in high-sec.
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#170 - 2012-08-13 20:41:22 UTC
Carebears are cartoon teddy bears from the 80s with rainbows on their chest, known for caring about others. As such it's actually a terribly inaccurate term to describe those generally labeled as such in MMOs. Those being as Tippia most closely identified as...
Tippia wrote:
People who refuse to accept any intrusion in their personal gameplay bubble by other players.


As a group these "carebears" in MMOs care less about others and the game as a whole than most other player groups. In a game like EVE you'll find greater loyalty and concern for other players among PvPers and even in some cases from those identified as "griefers".

The accurate name for such gamers isn't "carebear" it would be Themepark players, because it's the form of structured gameplay that most clearly satisfies their desired gameplay as described by Tippia and others.

I'm not sure what cartoon creature this would be, but it would be a selfish whinny sniveling worm like creature with an attraction to shinny objects I think.
Kyra Felann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2012-08-13 21:09:36 UTC
I don't think it's about playstyle or occupation at all. Being a manufacturer, a trader, or a miner doesn't automatically make you a carebear.

What makes you a carebear is that you want game mechanics to protect you from any chance of risk or loss or any form of interference from other players.
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#172 - 2012-08-13 21:25:36 UTC
Carebears are those who do things like join FW and then avoid conflict at all cost so they can farm plexes for LP. Case in point, Nulli.

Also, FWeddit is the home of FW Carebears, just ask Bastrach.

I would also classify miners who are too chickenshit to stand up for themselves and beg CCP to tank their ships for them as carebears.

BTW, I will be the first to admit that I am a reformed carebear.
Talon Dreyua
Pulse Industries
Knights Collective
#173 - 2012-08-13 23:11:31 UTC
Talos Vaden wrote:
I would personally say that a carebear is someone that does not understand that EVE is a multiplayer game based around PvP and tries to play it as though it is a singleplayer game based around PvE. I'd say it's entirely possible to be a high-sec dwelling industrialist without being a carebear. It's more based on attitude than your in-game activities. The difference is the non-carebear industrialist won't whine when they get blown up by suicide gankers or wardec'd by some bored PvPers because they understand that's just part of the game.








This is the main problem here. PVP'ers think that this game is only about PVP. It isn't. It is one aspect of the game. There are many many aspects to the game. PVP isn't for me. I don't like it; it doesn't make me a bad person for not liking it.

PVP'ers can't understand that or don't want to understand that. They seem to only see that there way is the only way and that everyone else is doing it wrong. Myoptic and narisisstic really.

IMO: PVP, like sex, should be consentual....not that I am saying that suicide gankers are akin to rapists.
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#174 - 2012-08-13 23:59:53 UTC
Any PvP averse player.

Thing about EVE is that just about everything is a form of PvP. The moment you touch the market, you've PvPed. This makes the only activities that are not PvP: mission running, ratting ... and then only when you don't sell your loot or buy new ships/modules/ammo.

There really are no carebears in EVE, despite what some hard-headed, impassioned players think. I can only assume that such types want to see EVE become something like a Free-For-All League of Legends in space.

The most fun part of EVE is, in my opinion, not the ship-to-ship combat but rather the economical and political combat.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Qolde
Comms Black
Pandemic Horde
#175 - 2012-08-14 03:07:13 UTC
I'll give you an example. A whole alliance votes to move to 0.0. The carebears stayed behind to mine ice, and never build **** for the rest of alliance.

If someone craps in your sandbox: 1. Light it on fire 2. Grab your shovel 3. Throw it back at them.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#176 - 2012-08-14 03:21:21 UTC
Mechael wrote:
Any PvP averse player.

Thing about EVE is that just about everything is a form of PvP. The moment you touch the market, you've PvPed. This makes the only activities that are not PvP: mission running, ratting ... and then only when you don't sell your loot or buy new ships/modules/ammo.

There really are no carebears in EVE, despite what some hard-headed, impassioned players think. I can only assume that such types want to see EVE become something like a Free-For-All League of Legends in space.

The most fun part of EVE is, in my opinion, not the ship-to-ship combat but rather the economical and political combat.


Wait, you seem to confuse PvP with interacting with other players.

How in the world does, say, buying something off the market act against another player? It's a fair trade. They want your money more than they want their module or ship or whatever, and your money is worthless without the ability to spend it.

Unintentionally aiding someone else act against other players is not a player engaging in PvP.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#177 - 2012-08-14 03:32:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Abel Merkabah
Lilianna Star wrote:
Mechael wrote:
Any PvP averse player.

Thing about EVE is that just about everything is a form of PvP. The moment you touch the market, you've PvPed. This makes the only activities that are not PvP: mission running, ratting ... and then only when you don't sell your loot or buy new ships/modules/ammo.

There really are no carebears in EVE, despite what some hard-headed, impassioned players think. I can only assume that such types want to see EVE become something like a Free-For-All League of Legends in space.

The most fun part of EVE is, in my opinion, not the ship-to-ship combat but rather the economical and political combat.


Wait, you seem to confuse PvP with interacting with other players.

How in the world does, say, buying something off the market act against another player? It's a fair trade. They want your money more than they want their module or ship or whatever, and your money is worthless without the ability to spend it.

Unintentionally aiding someone else act against other players is not a player engaging in PvP.


When I purchase a module for the lowest price, I am denying another person that module at that price...

It's not buyers vs sellers, but buyers vs buyers and sellers vs sellers...

How is this not obvious?

Edit - although there is buyers vs sellers when ever you don't purchase a product for the current market price, or when sellers corner a market to get a premium...just basic market pvp is bvb or svs.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#178 - 2012-08-14 04:05:21 UTC
So far I've gatthered that pretty much everyone in this game is a carebear.

Carebear (kair-bair)
noun
1. Someone who plays EVE Online.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#179 - 2012-08-14 04:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mechael
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
Mechael wrote:
Any PvP averse player.

Thing about EVE is that just about everything is a form of PvP. The moment you touch the market, you've PvPed. This makes the only activities that are not PvP: mission running, ratting ... and then only when you don't sell your loot or buy new ships/modules/ammo.

There really are no carebears in EVE, despite what some hard-headed, impassioned players think. I can only assume that such types want to see EVE become something like a Free-For-All League of Legends in space.

The most fun part of EVE is, in my opinion, not the ship-to-ship combat but rather the economical and political combat.


Wait, you seem to confuse PvP with interacting with other players.

How in the world does, say, buying something off the market act against another player? It's a fair trade. They want your money more than they want their module or ship or whatever, and your money is worthless without the ability to spend it.

Unintentionally aiding someone else act against other players is not a player engaging in PvP.


When I purchase a module for the lowest price, I am denying another person that module at that price...

It's not buyers vs sellers, but buyers vs buyers and sellers vs sellers...

How is this not obvious?

Edit - although there is buyers vs sellers when ever you don't purchase a product for the current market price, or when sellers corner a market to get a premium...just basic market pvp is bvb or svs.


In this vein, I would really, really love to see CCP allow us to see who we're purchasing from or selling to before we make the transaction.

EDIT: Better still, on top of this make it so that we can set prices based on standings or even disallow people with bad standings from doing business with us.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2012-08-14 04:07:40 UTC
Simplest definition.

Someone who avoids PvP at all costs, usually a highsec resident or some whiny renter.