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How would you define a "carebear"?
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-08-12 16:16:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Doddy wrote:
In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec


Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.


The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace.

The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#102 - 2012-08-12 16:21:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Doddy wrote:
In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec


Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.


The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace.

The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent.


i think of myself as a carebear (nullbear) but i do follow the Bushido code!

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-08-12 16:21:57 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Carebear - a derogatory or condescending name used to provoke a player.

Unlike PvP'r, Industrialist, Miner, Market Trader, Mission Runner which actually describes what a person does in game.

Under those terms this could be a personal attack a reportable offence, granted the case would be thin but CCP would not be able to ignore said petition.

In other words it is no different then calling someone one many things that would get you banned or warned in a heart beat.
Funny isn't it, create a new word and you can get away using it for a long time until it becomes excepted.
Once a word is excepted then it falls under the same rules as any other, and as such its usage is bound by society.

So are you all sure you really want to define carebear ?


"Carebear" describes what somebody does in-game. You'll get warned/gagged/banned in a heartbeat for using a derogatory term attacking a player for some immutable characteristic. The way you play the game is not an "immutable characteristic."

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#104 - 2012-08-12 16:26:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Carebear - a derogatory or condescending name used to provoke a player.

Unlike PvP'r, Industrialist, Miner, Market Trader, Mission Runner which actually describes what a person does in game.

Under those terms this could be a personal attack a reportable offence, granted the case would be thin but CCP would not be able to ignore said petition.

In other words it is no different then calling someone one many things that would get you banned or warned in a heart beat.
Funny isn't it, create a new word and you can get away using it for a long time until it becomes excepted.
Once a word is excepted then it falls under the same rules as any other, and as such its usage is bound by society.

So are you all sure you really want to define carebear ?


"Carebear" describes what somebody does in-game. You'll get warned/gagged/banned in a heartbeat for using a derogatory term attacking a player for some immutable characteristic. The way you play the game is not an "immutable characteristic."


i think simetraz is emo cuss he is a nerf herder...

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-08-12 16:26:53 UTC
Grumpy Bear
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-08-12 16:29:01 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Doddy wrote:
In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec


Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.


The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace.

The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent.


So I'm carebear since I can't prove I've been in lowsec or mined in w-space...
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#107 - 2012-08-12 16:38:05 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Andski wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Doddy wrote:
In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec


Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.


The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace.

The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent.


So I'm carebear since I can't prove I've been in lowsec or mined in w-space...


no your a carebear because you post with forum alts...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Spy 21
Doomheim
#108 - 2012-08-12 16:42:46 UTC
Andski wrote:
[quote=Jorma Morkkis][quote=Akirei Scytale]

there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb


That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view.

You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship,

I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship.

S

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-08-12 16:53:06 UTC
Spy 21 wrote:
Andski wrote:
[quote=Jorma Morkkis][quote=Akirei Scytale]

there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb


That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view.

You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship,

I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship.

S


That just seems like a smart decision to me, not really risk aversion.

Ask yourself, do you then go on the forums and whine to try and get the assault ship and the others in local nerfed? If so, then you are adverse to the risk. You want to prevent that scenario for being possible, instead of having to recognize the scenario and take the appropriate actions to protect your assets.

That is the difference IMHO, carebears want artificial measures in place to prevent scenarios in game that could cause them loss; using your own judgement and the tools provided to recognize and deal with a negative scenario is not "carebear".

James315 for CSM 8!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-08-12 16:58:31 UTC
Spy 21 wrote:
Andski wrote:
[quote=Jorma Morkkis][quote=Akirei Scytale]

there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb


That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view.

You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship,

I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship.

S


That isn't risk aversion.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-08-12 17:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Andski wrote:
Spy 21 wrote:
Andski wrote:
[quote=Jorma Morkkis][quote=Akirei Scytale]

there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb


That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view.

You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship,

I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship.

S


That isn't risk aversion.


By ganker definition it is. If mission runner doesn't shoot ninja salvager mission runner is ultimate carebear.

When the fact is mission runner knows he/she will lose expensive ship if he/she engages.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#112 - 2012-08-12 17:51:29 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
By ganker definition it is.
No it isn't, other than as a strawman.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#113 - 2012-08-12 18:27:37 UTC
Caring is sharing...
heh but in EVE a care bear is typically someone that limits themselves due to phobias. Some go to extremes and insist everyone else should be limited like themselves as they choose to be, spewing out all sorts of crazy ideas and stereotypes of or on others. While some carebears use the safety umbrella to stay safe as they wreck havoc on other players (as often found in most mmo's especially themparks). EVE mostly has the first type, just phobias, which often is curable with experience.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-08-12 18:28:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
By ganker definition it is.
No it isn't, other than as a strawman.


Post #11

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1546396&page=1#11
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#115 - 2012-08-12 18:41:53 UTC
Someone who just sits and trains at a station. Never leaves it because he doesn't want to lose his implants and max learn speed. Someone who can't fly anything bigger then a frigate after 3 years because he isn't mapped for perception and willpower... Someone who reads the forum to learn instead of learning through experience....
**** sounds like me :''''''''''''((((((((((((((. My name is Radius Prime and I am a carebear :().

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-08-12 18:52:52 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
By ganker definition it is.
No it isn't, other than as a strawman.


Post #11

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1546396&page=1#11


If you read post number 5, your "ganker" defines himself as a mission runner.
Conrad Lionhart
#117 - 2012-08-12 19:09:27 UTC
In this game, I would say someone who doesn't PvP and/or always stays in high sec.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#118 - 2012-08-12 23:26:19 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Umm any other bigoted statements, you missed a few groups in your hate speech.


Train sarcasm and/or cynicism detection to level 1, ASAP.

Have you ever read these forums?

I have seen similar non sarcastic comments like this before and even since the great ISD attack of O12.


It's usually pretty easy to tell the difference. (If you have the skill trained, 'natch Blink)

Ni.
kurg
Order of the Divine Shadow
#119 - 2012-08-12 23:30:17 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
I'm not asking for any official definition, I'm asking what YOU think a carebear is.

When you think of carebears, you think of....


Easy. A bear that cares.


+1
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#120 - 2012-08-12 23:35:04 UTC
Pilna Vcelka wrote:
Carebear is a mentally grown-up person with reasonably big p***s who doesnt feel the urge to compensate for their real life failures by trying to become wannabe uberleet internet gangster and doesnt find runing other players gameplay neither fun nor manly, but rather boring, immature activity.

Carebear is typically a player who logs in to enjoy the EVE gameplay atmosphere and to cooperate with others to create stuff and to relax rather than destroying stuff and trembling with adrenaline while hunting a poorly fit industrial ship 20v1 along with other dejected pvp nerds.

That said, us carebears love and need PvP scrubs because they keep the economy going and let us earn space riches by creating constand demand for ships and modules and by keeping high-sec ore prices high.


1/10:

Much too obvious, and far too easy.

Keep practising, love.

Ni.