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How would you define a "carebear"?
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-08-12 12:52:07 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
So hi sec PVPers looking for opportunistic kills in hi sec for tears is "hearsay"? There aren't any sharks in the water then? And when miners are advised not to mine due to suicide gankings? Nowhere in hi sec is safe is all a lie? Could your lifeguard be right? There really aren't sharks in the water?


I thought your "wild" analogy referred to low/null. vOv

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2012-08-12 12:57:24 UTC
Andski wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
So hi sec PVPers looking for opportunistic kills in hi sec for tears is "hearsay"? There aren't any sharks in the water then? And when miners are advised not to mine due to suicide gankings? Nowhere in hi sec is safe is all a lie? Could your lifeguard be right? There really aren't sharks in the water?


I thought your "wild" analogy referred to low/null. vOv

Does it make a difference?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-08-12 13:04:30 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Andski wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
So hi sec PVPers looking for opportunistic kills in hi sec for tears is "hearsay"? There aren't any sharks in the water then? And when miners are advised not to mine due to suicide gankings? Nowhere in hi sec is safe is all a lie? Could your lifeguard be right? There really aren't sharks in the water?


I thought your "wild" analogy referred to low/null. vOv

Does it make a difference?


No, because neither area runs "rampant" with them. There's a difference between "they're around" and "they run rampant."

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Alara IonStorm
#84 - 2012-08-12 13:10:29 UTC
When the f**k did EVE turn into the Animal Channel?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2012-08-12 13:13:13 UTC
perhaps this terrible metaphor should be extended to specify both warm water and cold water to eliminate any possible confusion
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-08-12 13:14:12 UTC
Andski wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Andski wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
So hi sec PVPers looking for opportunistic kills in hi sec for tears is "hearsay"? There aren't any sharks in the water then? And when miners are advised not to mine due to suicide gankings? Nowhere in hi sec is safe is all a lie? Could your lifeguard be right? There really aren't sharks in the water?


I thought your "wild" analogy referred to low/null. vOv

Does it make a difference?


No, because neither area runs "rampant" with them. There's a difference between "they're around" and "they run rampant."

I'll concede to that. I shouldn't have used the word rampant. My point is the threat is there. And their "fear" is not completely unjustified. In the end, it's not just miners and mission runners that avoid odds against them. The "carebear" label applies to pretty much everyone as it is used today.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#87 - 2012-08-12 13:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Shalua Rui wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Oh, my, god!

Designer purse parties?


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Clean Head
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-08-12 14:09:40 UTC
Carebear = a pvper that has a lot more isk then the average non-carebearing pvper
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#89 - 2012-08-12 14:15:37 UTC
Derogatory term for anyone who plays the game for something other than PvP.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-08-12 14:56:56 UTC
For game balance gankers should have god mode activated. Economy would be far better. They can already tank Concord.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
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#91 - 2012-08-12 15:01:23 UTC
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
Derogatory term for anyone who plays the game for something other than PvP.


Only if PvP is defined as anything related to players in conflict, including noncombat. I doubt people would refer to logistics workers within nullsec alliances as carebears.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#92 - 2012-08-12 15:03:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Alara IonStorm wrote:
When the f**k did EVE turn into the Animal Channel?


Just waiting for Johnny Morris to join in this animal discussion.

One needs to have lived in the UK and be a bit older to get thisSmile

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Alara IonStorm
#93 - 2012-08-12 15:05:26 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
When the f**k did EVE turn into the Animal Channel?

Just waiting for Johnny Morris to join in this animal discussuion.

One needs to have live in the UK and be a bit older to get thisSmile

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Doddy
Excidium.
#94 - 2012-08-12 15:11:08 UTC
A carebear is a player who is risk averse.

In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec, especially those who stay in npc corps to avoid war decs.

There are a whole lot of other carebears in eve though, from null sec log off when a hostile enters types to pvpers using multi-neutral logis.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#95 - 2012-08-12 15:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
My def of carebear, in terms of EVE:

Someone who not only is risk averse, but takes their aversion so far as to demand that CCP make this game safer for them, usually at the expense of the rest of the game. The kind of player who ruins multiplayer games, and destroys economies.
One level above bots (since bots aren't people, they have to be lower in my view).




Also, as to the Cat not engaging when there is a Tornado. A solo Cat takes a while to kill a Hulk. The tornado could easily kill the Cat before they would take down the Hulk. Therefore, engaging would be sheer stupidity. Its not that they care about losing the dessie. They want to kill the Hulk.

If I want to have a party, but can't while my parents are home, I'm not going to even try to have one while my parents are home.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#96 - 2012-08-12 15:18:14 UTC
This thread is full of anger.

Who wants a hug?

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-08-12 15:18:54 UTC
Doddy wrote:
In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec


Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-08-12 15:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Carebear - a derogatory or condescending name used to provoke a player.

Unlike PvP'r, Industrialist, Miner, Market Trader, Mission Runner which actually describes what a person does in game.

Under those terms this could be a personal attack a reportable offence, granted the case would be thin but CCP would not be able to ignore said petition.

In other words it is no different then calling someone one many things that would get you banned or warned in a heart beat.
Funny isn't it, create a new word and you can get away using it for a long time until it becomes excepted.
Once a word is excepted then it falls under the same rules as any other, and as such its usage is bound by society.

So are you all sure you really want to define carebear ?

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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2012-08-12 15:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Rordan D'Kherr
A carebear is someone whose main / only activities aim at making as much ISK as possible whilste avoiding any risk.

Frightened and greedy in other words.

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-08-12 16:07:57 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Doddy wrote:
In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec


Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.


To me the fact you willing enter lowsec and understand/accept the risks disqualifies you from carebear status. Mitigating risks is not the same as being adverse to them.

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