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How would you define a "carebear"?
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-08-12 11:47:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Andski wrote:
okay buddy feel free to show us how easy it is to tank a tornado which two-shots a destroyer at falloff with autocannons


Only safe place is on station. Just don't undock if you don't want to lose your ships.


I hear suicide gankers are known for not wanting to lose ships

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#62 - 2012-08-12 11:48:29 UTC
Xinivrae wrote:
Not that I disagree with most of what you said, but it's certainly not exclusive to men. Have you ever been to a designer purse/jewelry party?


Or a tribal bellydancing convention? Blink

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#63 - 2012-08-12 11:51:42 UTC
Xinivrae wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Most men are like that at a certain age, and most of them grow old and mature enough to overcome that urge, usually after meeting face to face with RL.

But then, EVE players are people who instead of spend hours doing RL stuff, spend hours doing EVE stuff, so they're not like your average population set, but more like hobbyists.

And every hobbyist feels an urge to show off and feel rewarded for his subjectively valued activity.


Not that I disagree with most of what you said, but it's certainly not exclusive to men. Have you ever been to a designer purse/jewelry party?


EVE's female population is quite smallish as to have an impact on mass trends.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-08-12 11:53:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
I hear suicide gankers are known for not wanting to lose ships


So, why it's so dumb to start ganking if there's Tornado nearby?
Josef Djugashvilis
#65 - 2012-08-12 11:54:26 UTC
Xinivrae wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Most men are like that at a certain age, and most of them grow old and mature enough to overcome that urge, usually after meeting face to face with RL.

But then, EVE players are people who instead of spend hours doing RL stuff, spend hours doing EVE stuff, so they're not like your average population set, but more like hobbyists.

And every hobbyist feels an urge to show off and feel rewarded for his subjectively valued activity.


Not that I disagree with most of what you said, but it's certainly not exclusive to men. Have you ever been to a designer purse/jewelry party?


Oh, my, god!

Designer purse parties?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-08-12 11:54:27 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Andski wrote:
I hear suicide gankers are known for not wanting to lose ships


So, why it's so dumb to start ganking if there's Tornado nearby?


I don't really care what conclusion you're trying to lead me to but I'm not going to play your lil game, fly away~

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#67 - 2012-08-12 11:57:02 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Oh, my, god!

Designer purse parties?


Brutal. Blink

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-08-12 12:01:02 UTC
Andski wrote:
I don't really care what conclusion you're trying to lead me to but I'm not going to play your lil game, fly away~


It's risk aversion, is it?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-08-12 12:05:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Andski wrote:
I don't really care what conclusion you're trying to lead me to but I'm not going to play your lil game, fly away~


It's risk aversion, is it?


It's prudence, actually, and I'm not going to debate the difference with you.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-08-12 12:07:27 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Andski wrote:
there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb

It is true. If a "supa dupa l33t murduruz internetz gangsta" avoids PVP that's just simple common sense. When the prey does it, well, that's just dumb and he's got the cooties (AKA "carebearism").

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-08-12 12:14:03 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
It is true. If a "supa dupa l33t murduruz internetz gangsta" avoids PVP that is against his odds that's just simple common sense. When the prey does it, well, that's just dumb and he's got the cooties (AKA "carebearism").


Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion.

Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#72 - 2012-08-12 12:20:36 UTC
Andski wrote:
Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."


Mind if i quote that sometime? Blink

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-08-12 12:21:19 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Andski wrote:
Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."


Mind if i quote that sometime? Blink


sure why not

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-08-12 12:24:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
It is true. If a "supa dupa l33t murduruz internetz gangsta" avoids PVP that is against his odds that's just simple common sense. When the prey does it, well, that's just dumb and he's got the cooties (AKA "carebearism").


Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion.

Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."

And there's a difference between a "zoo" where you expect to find caged bengal tigers, and the wild where the rabid animals are running rampant looking to ruin lives and collect "tears".

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#75 - 2012-08-12 12:28:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Andski wrote:
Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion.

Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."
…and carbearism is “instead, I demand that all the animals be implanted with cranial bombs and paraded through my back yard for my viewing pleasure”.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-08-12 12:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Andski wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
It is true. If a "supa dupa l33t murduruz internetz gangsta" avoids PVP that is against his odds that's just simple common sense. When the prey does it, well, that's just dumb and he's got the cooties (AKA "carebearism").


Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion.

Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."

And there's a difference between a "zoo" where you expect to find caged bengal tigers, and the wild where the rabid animals are running rampant looking to ruin lives and collect "tears".


Okay then it's more like common sense being not going into the water at the beach when you see shark fins and blood in the water, risk aversion being refusal to enter the water on a clear day with zero threats in sight and a lifeguard saying "dude it's fine, there's 30 people in the water, look." Better?

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2012-08-12 12:36:20 UTC
I always imagined it to be more like a box of chocolates
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2012-08-12 12:40:52 UTC
Andski wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Andski wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
It is true. If a "supa dupa l33t murduruz internetz gangsta" avoids PVP that is against his odds that's just simple common sense. When the prey does it, well, that's just dumb and he's got the cooties (AKA "carebearism").


Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion.

Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."

And there's a difference between a "zoo" where you expect to find caged bengal tigers, and the wild where the rabid animals are running rampant looking to ruin lives and collect "tears".


Okay then it's more like common sense being not going into the water at the beach when you see shark fins and blood in the water, risk aversion being refusal to enter the water on a clear day with zero threats in sight and a lifeguard saying "dude it's fine, there's 30 people in the water, look." Better?

Are you serious? You could use a shark on the beach, a gorilla in the jungle, a lion in the savannah. Your analogy and mine are still the same.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-08-12 12:43:39 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Andski wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Andski wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
It is true. If a "supa dupa l33t murduruz internetz gangsta" avoids PVP that is against his odds that's just simple common sense. When the prey does it, well, that's just dumb and he's got the cooties (AKA "carebearism").


Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion.

Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."

And there's a difference between a "zoo" where you expect to find caged bengal tigers, and the wild where the rabid animals are running rampant looking to ruin lives and collect "tears".


Okay then it's more like common sense being not going into the water at the beach when you see shark fins and blood in the water, risk aversion being refusal to enter the water on a clear day with zero threats in sight and a lifeguard saying "dude it's fine, there's 30 people in the water, look." Better?

Are you serious? You could use a shark on the beach, a gorilla in the jungle, a lion in the savannah. Your analogy and mine are still the same.


Except your analogy assumes that the "wild" does run rampant with the rabid animals with a taste for tears, based on hearsay. vOv

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-08-12 12:50:52 UTC
Andski wrote:
Except your analogy assumes that the "wild" does run rampant with the rabid animals with a taste for tears, based on hearsay. vOv

So hi sec PVPers looking for opportunistic kills in hi sec for tears is "hearsay"? There aren't any sharks in the water then? And when miners are advised not to mine due to suicide gankings? Nowhere in hi sec is safe is all a lie? Could your lifeguard be right? There really aren't sharks in the water?

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