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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#41 - 2012-08-12 11:21:00 UTC
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:
When I see the Minmatar SFI fleet you can see what in fw is broken. The first who hits T5 wins.



If Nulli would have just let us finish up the work we would have been able to hit tier five in about 2 weeks. The reason we are not hitting tier five is because nulli decided to botch this.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#42 - 2012-08-12 12:33:10 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:
When I see the Minmatar SFI fleet you can see what in fw is broken. The first who hits T5 wins.



If Nulli would have just let us finish up the work we would have been able to hit tier five in about 2 weeks. The reason we are not hitting tier five is because nulli decided to botch this.


Nulli failed at tier 5, but for different reasons than you think. Faction warfare was always only a temporary thing for them and they wanted to leave a week ago.

Also, complaining about the Minmatar running disposable all SFI fleets is just dumb considering that with a day old Minmatar farming alt each major will get you almost 3 SFI bpcs at Tier 5. I agree that its broken, but fw being broken doesn't mean that whoever hits Tier 5 first wins, considering theres no reason everyone shouldn't be able to get in on sweet Tier 5 goodness.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Lexmana
#43 - 2012-08-12 13:23:17 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
theres no reason everyone shouldn't be able to get in on sweet Tier 5 goodness.

Actually, it only take a few fools to stop it. And there are a lot of fools.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#44 - 2012-08-12 13:36:22 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:
theres no reason everyone shouldn't be able to get in on sweet Tier 5 goodness.

Actually, it only take a few fools to stop it. And there are a lot of fools.


Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?
-Obi-wan Kenobi

The moar you cry the less you pee
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-08-12 13:54:44 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
We'll be doing our best to make sure they are only able to hit T3 tomorrow. Bear



That would require actually engaging us.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Dan Carter Murray
#46 - 2012-08-12 14:10:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Dan Carter Murray
Aiwha wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
We'll be doing our best to make sure they are only able to hit T3 tomorrow. Bear



That would require actually engaging us.


That is the quote of the century right?

quick edit: this is what they yell as they run away from FW?

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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#47 - 2012-08-12 17:15:48 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
We'll be doing our best to make sure they are only able to hit T3 tomorrow. Bear



That would require actually engaging us.


That is the quote of the century right?

quick edit: this is what they yell as they run away from FW?


The 10-15 qcats that moved up north *only* got about 700 nulli kills in the 10 days we were there.

And that's not even including the hun reloaded guys who were equally fun to farm.
Dan Carter Murray
#48 - 2012-08-12 18:01:09 UTC
maybe not?

lol.

it appears everyone is mad at the soon-to-be highsec mining alliance Roll

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#49 - 2012-08-12 18:17:29 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:
When I see the Minmatar SFI fleet you can see what in fw is broken. The first who hits T5 wins.



If Nulli would have just let us finish up the work we would have been able to hit tier five in about 2 weeks. The reason we are not hitting tier five is because nulli decided to botch this.


Nulli failed at tier 5, but for different reasons than you think. Faction warfare was always only a temporary thing for them and they wanted to leave a week ago..


Then they are much dumber than I originally thought. They Kept farming systems that were already vulnerable instead of moving on to systems that were still contested.


Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#50 - 2012-08-13 22:21:13 UTC
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...

“We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.” - Special needs division of Fcon.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#51 - 2012-08-13 22:39:27 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...

The 18th century British Infantry is looking to recruit alliances like Nulli.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-08-13 23:02:21 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...


Nulli deciding to enter FacWar

Nulli deciding to leave FacWar

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-08-13 23:06:31 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...


So you're saying QCATS didn't actually "fight" Nulli. Instead, QCATS ganked Nulli.

I can live with that.
Self-destruct It's Okay
RAM Legion DOT
#54 - 2012-08-13 23:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Self-destruct It's Okay
Roderick Grey wrote:
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...

http://killboard.nullisecunda.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=123531

"but I heard ASBs were OP!

oh god what is a transversal"

there's hundreds of killmails just like these -- I don't think QCATS are the problem here

I'm sure that in a competition of who can correctly orbit an anchor, Nulli would give gold-medal calibre performances. Sadly such elite tactics are not incredibly relevant to FW/actual pvp.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#55 - 2012-08-14 00:11:07 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Self-destruct It's Okay wrote:
Roderick Grey wrote:
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...

http://killboard.nullisecunda.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=123531

"but I heard ASBs were OP!

oh god what is a transversal"

there's hundreds of killmails just like these -- I don't think QCATS are the problem here

I'm sure that in a competition of who can correctly orbit an anchor, Nulli would give gold-medal calibre performances. Sadly such elite tactics are not incredibly relevant to FW/actual pvp.


Was going to post something similar, saw it already done. +1 for "lol, you consider 100+ man fleets *good fights*"

Just thought I'd add a few more "gunless frigates" here.

http://qcats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14168578
http://qcats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14318066
http://qcats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14254446 <-- Not a great kill had far more than we needed, only posted because I love the cloak, guess they took tips from the caldari militia (or more specifically, the Hidden Snake fleet combat guide).
http://qcats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14269480

And not to mention, I love the guy who came up with these corp fits: (I'd say we probably killed 50 of these exact fits in the first week until they started running out//someone figured out they were really crap fits)

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17074480
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17074695

It looks like some nullsec "pro pvp" guy went into eft and went for max gank + tank with no understanding of frigate combat whatsoever.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#56 - 2012-08-14 00:46:39 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Roderick Grey wrote:
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...

The 18th century British Infantry is looking to recruit alliances like Nulli.


The question is who would get the first volley? Us or them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdM44rovn6c

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#57 - 2012-08-14 02:21:14 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Vordak Kallager wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Roderick Grey wrote:
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...

The 18th century British Infantry is looking to recruit alliances like Nulli.


The question is who would get the first volley? Us or them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdM44rovn6c

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War#Southern_theater

In similar way, the Americans on the southern front employed Cockbag Thrasher ambush techniques at key jumpgates, err... battle points. The militiamen would alpha British pilots, err.. infantrymen, and then warp off, err.. run back into the forrest, before the British could return fire.

This sort of warfare demoralized the British army who retreated to the safety of Otesala and eventually left low sec for good.
Dan Carter Murray
#58 - 2012-08-14 13:09:20 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Roderick Grey wrote:
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...

The 18th century British Infantry is looking to recruit alliances like Nulli.


The question is who would get the first volley? Us or them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdM44rovn6c

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War#Southern_theater

In similar way, the Americans on the southern front employed Cockbag Thrasher ambush techniques at key jumpgates, err... battle points. The militiamen would alpha British pilots, err.. infantrymen, and then warp off, err.. run back into the forrest, before the British could return fire.

This sort of warfare demoralized the British army who retreated to the safety of Otesala and eventually left low sec for good.


Uh...Brits came back though in 1812

And in the 60s via Beatles "British Invasion"

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Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#59 - 2012-08-14 15:14:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Roderick Grey
Self-destruct It's Okay wrote:
Roderick Grey wrote:
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...

http://killboard.nullisecunda.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=123531

"but I heard ASBs were OP!

oh god what is a transversal"

there's hundreds of killmails just like these -- I don't think QCATS are the problem here

I'm sure that in a competition of who can correctly orbit an anchor, Nulli would give gold-medal calibre performances. Sadly such elite tactics are not incredibly relevant to FW/actual pvp.


So your argument is that you have evidence of Some Nullitard doing something stupid, therefore they can't fight at all, or that's an excuse not to deploy a fleet larger than 5 thrashers on a regular basis?

Don't get me wrong, solo/small gang/frig/dessie pvp takes alot of skill and is a different ball game to what most Nulli peeps are used to and I have alot of respect for Qcats, especially Caldari Legend, who slapped my **** a few times while I was trying out some overly-expensive Enyo fits for a giggle. But when the entire minnie FW loudly brags about ganking a few solo pvp scrubs yet refuses to face Nulli when they're enmasse and organised it's pretty sad, and reflects rather poorly on Y'all.

“We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.” - Special needs division of Fcon.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#60 - 2012-08-14 15:18:53 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:
Self-destruct It's Okay wrote:
Roderick Grey wrote:
Jesus, the amount of minmatard chest beating is ridiculous here.

I hope that most Qcats understand that ganking gunless frigs isn't fighting Nulli at all, that's ganking a gunless frig. And when Nulli complain about not receiving fights they're actually talking about organised engagements, with Fc's, Ewar... ships bigger than Thrashers... Y'know... good fights...

http://killboard.nullisecunda.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=123531

"but I heard ASBs were OP!

oh god what is a transversal"

there's hundreds of killmails just like these -- I don't think QCATS are the problem here

I'm sure that in a competition of who can correctly orbit an anchor, Nulli would give gold-medal calibre performances. Sadly such elite tactics are not incredibly relevant to FW/actual pvp.


So your argument is that you have evidence of Some Nullitard doing something stupid, therefore they can't fight at all.


That isn't an isolated incident: The argument is that most Nulli can't fight at all outside of a fleet with some FC telling them exactly what to do.