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[New ship] Gas mining Cruiser or Battlecruiser
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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#21 - 2012-09-10 11:09:16 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:

We didn't need the Noc Noc. We got it because enough people wanted a dedicated salvager. Too bad it killed salvage value.


Indeed. So what will happen if a dedicated gas miner is introduced? Gas supply goes up, prices fall and gas mining profitability remains about the same.

The only actual changes would be to require people to sink SP into the dedicated gas miner, and to increase the hassle of moving gas to market, as the larger volumes of gas are now worth less. The best griefing is when people ask for it themselves.


this.
Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-09-13 20:21:05 UTC
Seems reasonable to have a dedicated gas miner. Shabby to have a mining ship with combat bonuses on it...seems kind of hack. Nothing like a company coming in to do a job with a jury-rigged, improvised piece of machinery. If its that important a job, someone will have made a dedicated tool for it. Maybe high sec gas Amber Mikocerosin for drugs isn't all that important to most, but when your in Null or worse, in a WH looking over your shoulder while pulling out clouds for T3 ship production, every second counts. a couple extra minutes of D-scan checking can mean be the difference between survival and profit, or death and revenue loss.
Noctis didn't ruin the game, just made cleaning up easier. Lowered the prices, not by much, of buying meta equipment cheaper for us maybe. There was a need and people built a ship to meet that need. Reflections of real life...
There are people who mine gas for a living. Gas is the one frontier of mining that I feel CCP could do more in. I like the idea of creating a T2 version of the Noctis model to give gas bonuses to. Or a whole new ship.
The criticism I have heard about it is kind of limp, the argument is basically...'I don't mine or mine gas, so it's something the game doesn't need'.
So far seen some maller fits, domi fits, ferox fits, and a scad of other renovated ships that just do an 'adequate' job at bringing in nebulas to market. I am not saying to make replicas of all three barges, (one for durability, cargo, and yeild) just saying nice to have a ship built for the job. And believe it or not, if your flying a T3 like a tengu or a loki, someone risked thier lives and crew to get the gas for your level 4 mission run or gate camp.

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-10 18:39:48 UTC
Gas cloud harvester ship should have 5 turret slots to take full advantage of the Skill trained to level 5 and allowing 5 harvesters. It should have 20% reduction in the gas cycle time and 100% to gas amount similar to the venture. It should have 5% to shield hp and resists per level just like the skiff. The gas hold should be 15k m3 like the skiff's ore hold. It should be a variation of the noctis hull using the ore skill to fly it.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 
neled irabnim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-12-13 14:36:49 UTC
Venture:
+5% to mining yield per level
+5% to gas harvesting yield per level

+100% to mining yield
+100% to gas harvesting yield

Cargo capacity: 50
Ore hold: 5000

Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, with 2 turrets

With the 100% gas yield bonus you get 4 gas harvesters with two turrets, I assume, since I have not used the ship yet.
Only problem may be the ore hold of 5000 m3.
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-12-13 21:11:56 UTC
neled irabnim wrote:
Venture:
+5% to mining yield per level
+5% to gas harvesting yield per level

+100% to mining yield
+100% to gas harvesting yield

Cargo capacity: 50
Ore hold: 5000

Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, with 2 turrets

With the 100% gas yield bonus you get 4 gas harvesters with two turrets, I assume, since I have not used the ship yet.
Only problem may be the ore hold of 5000 m3.

atm with the new gas ship with the frig trained up to level 5 i hear it's better than mining with the BCs even though they use 5 harvs on them. The ore bay is ok for C2 sites but for the C4s and up where i hear they have larger gas sites so they may have to take more than one trip.

Over all I'm kinda happy about the Venture, not excited but happy lol
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