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[New ship] Gas mining Cruiser or Battlecruiser
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Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-11 15:49:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexar Mundi
I think it would be cool to get a dedicated ORE gas mining ship.

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5% extra "Gas Bay" space per level of Ore industrial
5% more gas yield or range (questionable)
"Gas bay" would hold about 5,000 M3
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2 - 2012-08-11 16:19:00 UTC
Cool: yes.

Needed: no.

Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.

Supported: not at this time.
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-08-11 16:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexar Mundi
Corina Jarr wrote:
Cool: yes.

Needed: no.

Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.

Supported: not at this time.


not needed more than a "mining frig"?
if they have time to make a useless frig when there are already mining cruisers that take days to get in to they can make a gas ship lol.

Heck they could even put a bonus on a ship that's already made, the noctis and preme (how ever it's spelled) look alike why not just recolor it and put the ability to have gas harvesters on it and a "Gas hold"
Riku Klayton
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#4 - 2012-08-11 19:34:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Riku Klayton
You know this is not such a bad idea. Better than that useless mining frigate... please =)

I support this idea *thumbs up*Attention

- Riku

EDIT: I think you mean the Primae. Which is in some way very useless. They could make that into that gas miner.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#5 - 2012-08-11 19:52:03 UTC
Lexar Mundi wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Cool: yes.

Needed: no.

Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.

Supported: not at this time.


not needed more than a "mining frig"?
if they have time to make a useless frig when there are already mining cruisers that take days to get in to they can make a gas ship lol.

Heck they could even put a bonus on a ship that's already made, the noctis and preme (how ever it's spelled) look alike why not just recolor it and put the ability to have gas harvesters on it and a "Gas hold"

The mining cruisers are being replaced with Tieracide. In a short time there will be no mining ships other than the Ore ones.

As it is, current BCs do fine at gas mining. And those BCs are not being replaced in such a way that gas mining with them will no longer be viable.
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-08-12 20:30:00 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Lexar Mundi wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Cool: yes.

Needed: no.

Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.

Supported: not at this time.


not needed more than a "mining frig"?
if they have time to make a useless frig when there are already mining cruisers that take days to get in to they can make a gas ship lol.

Heck they could even put a bonus on a ship that's already made, the noctis and preme (how ever it's spelled) look alike why not just recolor it and put the ability to have gas harvesters on it and a "Gas hold"

The mining cruisers are being replaced with Tieracide. In a short time there will be no mining ships other than the Ore ones.

As it is, current BCs do fine at gas mining. And those BCs are not being replaced in such a way that gas mining with them will no longer be viable.


But they are replacing the frigs that have mining bonuses and cruisers with mining bonuses with a frig that has a mining bonus... There is NO ship that has a gas role in EVE.

What your saying is "Destroyers do fine salvaging, we dont need the Noctis." What kind of logic is that?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#7 - 2012-08-12 20:42:37 UTC
Lexar Mundi wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Lexar Mundi wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Cool: yes.

Needed: no.

Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.

Supported: not at this time.


not needed more than a "mining frig"?
if they have time to make a useless frig when there are already mining cruisers that take days to get in to they can make a gas ship lol.

Heck they could even put a bonus on a ship that's already made, the noctis and preme (how ever it's spelled) look alike why not just recolor it and put the ability to have gas harvesters on it and a "Gas hold"

The mining cruisers are being replaced with Tieracide. In a short time there will be no mining ships other than the Ore ones.

As it is, current BCs do fine at gas mining. And those BCs are not being replaced in such a way that gas mining with them will no longer be viable.


But they are replacing the frigs that have mining bonuses and cruisers with mining bonuses with a frig that has a mining bonus... There is NO ship that has a gas role in EVE.

What your saying is "Destroyers do fine salvaging, we dont need the Noctis." What kind of logic is that?

We didn't need the Noc Noc. We got it because enough people wanted a dedicated salvager. Too bad it killed salvage value.


There's also no ship that gets a bonus to archaeology and hacking.
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-08-12 20:54:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexar Mundi
Corina Jarr wrote:
Lexar Mundi wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Lexar Mundi wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Cool: yes.

Needed: no.

Better things for devs and art folks to spend time on: Absolutely.

Supported: not at this time.


not needed more than a "mining frig"?
if they have time to make a useless frig when there are already mining cruisers that take days to get in to they can make a gas ship lol.

Heck they could even put a bonus on a ship that's already made, the noctis and preme (how ever it's spelled) look alike why not just recolor it and put the ability to have gas harvesters on it and a "Gas hold"

The mining cruisers are being replaced with Tieracide. In a short time there will be no mining ships other than the Ore ones.

As it is, current BCs do fine at gas mining. And those BCs are not being replaced in such a way that gas mining with them will no longer be viable.


But they are replacing the frigs that have mining bonuses and cruisers with mining bonuses with a frig that has a mining bonus... There is NO ship that has a gas role in EVE.

What your saying is "Destroyers do fine salvaging, we dont need the Noctis." What kind of logic is that?

We didn't need the Noc Noc. We got it because enough people wanted a dedicated salvager. Too bad it killed salvage value.


There's also no ship that gets a bonus to archaeology and hacking.

Oh but there is, it was a free ship given to us one year. The Echelon was a free ship with a Purloined Sansha Codebreaker on it.

Why not stop making free ships for X-mas and make ships that get used...

(Edit)
there is also a Zephyer that can't be targeted by sleepers, and a Apotheosis, and the Primae for PI. These are ships they made just to hand out for free once a year thats not counting the ships that got re-colored, like the Special edition shuttle I have and the Iteron Amastris edition and the Quafe ultra edition and finally the Quafe Ultramarine Edition...

They can't make a dedicated gas mining ship?

(second edit)
It killed high sec salvage value, my Melted Nano ribbons are doing just fine at 6.7million a piece lol
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#9 - 2012-08-13 02:13:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
The Echelon does not get a bonus to hacking. The only thing it can do is be used in some Incursion sites... not sure which as I don't do them. But regular Hacking it cannot do.

Also, using the gifts as an example is a very bad idea. Do you want a gas mining ships that is totally useless even for its stated task?

The Zepher is outdone by all scanner ships, and cloaked ships won't be attacked by Sleepers anyway.
The Apotheosis is just a shuttle.
The Primae is useless for anything other than bait/hanger ornament. Even a T1 indie does PI related hauling better.
Itterons: No better than the T1 versions, and big bulls eye saying "gank me".



Salvage:
Yes you are correct, I did forget that for the most part, WH salvage has survived the plummet of value.


I would much prefer CCP finish all the other things they are working on before adding another ship that will just need to be balanced after a few days. I'm not even fond of the free things. A much better holiday gift would be to have crimewatch, V3, ship rebalance, FW, POS, null tech finished/fixed... pick any of those.
But another ship? Not needed.
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-08-13 17:13:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexar Mundi
Corina Jarr wrote:
The Echelon does not get a bonus to hacking. The only thing it can do is be used in some Incursion sites... not sure which as I don't do them. But regular Hacking it cannot do.

Also, using the gifts as an example is a very bad idea. Do you want a gas mining ships that is totally useless even for its stated task?

The Zepher is outdone by all scanner ships, and cloaked ships won't be attacked by Sleepers anyway.
The Apotheosis is just a shuttle.
The Primae is useless for anything other than bait/hanger ornament. Even a T1 indie does PI related hauling better.
Itterons: No better than the T1 versions, and big bulls eye saying "gank me".



Salvage:
Yes you are correct, I did forget that for the most part, WH salvage has survived the plummet of value.


I would much prefer CCP finish all the other things they are working on before adding another ship that will just need to be balanced after a few days. I'm not even fond of the free things. A much better holiday gift would be to have crimewatch, V3, ship rebalance, FW, POS, null tech finished/fixed... pick any of those.
But another ship? Not needed.


That's my point, they waste time on these ships that do literally nothing...

I figured if they would have time to do that why not make a ship that is useful, instead of an empty hull that never gets used.

I would like to see a boatload of other stuff as well...

1. Corp role redo

2. POS overhaul so i would actually want to bring other people in to a wormhole instead of discouraging them by leaving them outside the hole until i fully get to know them. (Otherwise they can take almost anything or have access to nothing...)

3. FW to be fun again, but that's up to the players in a sandbox game like this. If people lose the will to fight because the other sides better, that is a player problem. (Other than the war dec crap that goes on.)

But if they are wasting time making a ship hull anyway why not make it useful in some way and throw the BPOs out there.

Hell make it take minerals from Omber so it balances the ore out a little bit because that ore is about worthless to mine as is.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#11 - 2012-08-13 18:23:42 UTC
I see.

Yeah, if they insist on doing ships, a gas miner that was useful rather than a gift that only says "gank me" would be nice.

I'd still rather they focus on finishing/fixing.


If they want to do a holiday gift, just make snowballs available again. NPCs can sell them (isk sinc) or they can be made from ice stuff, whatever.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#12 - 2012-08-13 19:40:43 UTC
There will be hacking frigates and possibly T2 versions:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143584&find=unread

As for larger ORE, I plan on making a proposal of my own later. I will want them to have a gas harvester bonus.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-08-13 20:16:17 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:

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The Zepher is outdone by all scanner ships, and cloaked ships won't be attacked by Sleepers anyway.
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Sleeper sites can be rather heavy on decloak hazards though...
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#14 - 2012-08-14 00:22:49 UTC
Ah, Zephers. Mostly they are fun for testing the water in W-Space on Sisi.
Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-08-14 15:10:58 UTC
A gaz harvesting ship should adress some of the specificity of gaz mining:
-Slow yield. An average ladar sites in nullsec containing 3000 units of gaz takes 3h20 to deplete to a single pilot with perfect skills (not counting implants and fleet boost). Largest clouds contains 9000 units, which takes 10 man-hout to harvest completely.
-High volume. A unit of nullsec gaz is 10 m3. That's 30 000 m3 for an average gas cloud in nullsec.
-Surviving ability: Be it from gaz clouds explosions, spawning NPCs or hostile players (most ladar sites are in nullsec and wormholes), battlecruiser sized-tank is usually required. Being able to take on small spawns of NPCs would be a nice ability, as it's currently hard to fit weapons with 5 turret slots reserved to harvesters. A reduction to the risk of gas cloud explosion (like the old skiff had for mercoxit) may serve such a purpose, but would also put the player in a more dangerous situation, as gaz cloud explosions are a fine way to defend yourself against a tackling frigate.
Aren Valle
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-08-29 22:45:07 UTC
Even something as simple as a new rig type geared toward gas cycle times would be a huge benefit and more in-line with the specialization rigs for ice and mercoxit.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-09-04 09:02:08 UTC
Take the Noctis. Remove the two rectangular cargo hold thingies flanking the ship near the engines and replace them with some kind of cylindrical/spherical "Gas Tanks". Example

Move 4 of the high slots to low slots. (Lore states the hull is an armour tanker)
Remove salvager/tractor beam bonuses
Give the ship a 10% bonus to Gas Harvester yield (4 become effectively 6 at level 5 Ore Industrial Skill)
Give the ship a suitable secondary bonus (tank or something)
Give the ship a 75m drone bay with 50M/bit bandwidth and introduce gas harvesting drones.
Give the ship a small cargo hold and large Gas bay (approx 5000-10000m3)

Done. It's only a little better than using a BC and requires very little work.
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#18 - 2012-09-04 12:39:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Azrael Dinn
how about that you just do a T2 version of the noctis that is specialized in gas harvesting or something?

And seems that I wasnt the only one thinking this xD

And to make it more fun they should add nice new graphics also for the t2 ship so it would look like a gas harvester rather than a regular noctis.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-09-04 13:19:39 UTC
this may be interesting but ide wait for the mining frig to come out as i have a feeling that may actualy not be to bad for gas mining if not then could be interesting to get a specilised gas miner as ccp seem to be heading into this kinda thing more and more
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-09-04 14:24:00 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:

We didn't need the Noc Noc. We got it because enough people wanted a dedicated salvager. Too bad it killed salvage value.


Indeed. So what will happen if a dedicated gas miner is introduced? Gas supply goes up, prices fall and gas mining profitability remains about the same.

The only actual changes would be to require people to sink SP into the dedicated gas miner, and to increase the hassle of moving gas to market, as the larger volumes of gas are now worth less. The best griefing is when people ask for it themselves.
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