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Dec 20, the make or break date for CCP
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#41 - 2011-09-25 19:47:58 UTC
burstup wrote:
Star Wars Episode IV is an overrated fairy tale in space. I was 12 years old when I saw it the first time and I was disapointed. I still think the movie sucks. Star Wars Galaxies was a decent MMORPG when it started, because it was a sandbox. It's a shame Sony+LucasArt destroyed it. Star Wars The Old Republic will not be a sandbox, it does not have spaceships, and it will feature Jedi who can't kill weak enemies without hitting them over and over. SW:TOR is not able to damage EVE. Microtransactions and P2W are.


Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. SW:TOR is a Sandbox/story-line hybrid. The best game that can come close to describe the game is "Red Dead Redemption" Obviously, a Star Wars game would not be a Star Wars game without space combat, (which it has), Dev's on the forum have said they will be beefing up space combat a lot but the framework is built from game launch.

As stated in a earlier post, The majority of High-Sec play EVE Online (single player version) With missions and mining. I would think that this game will be very attractive to this type of crowed which make up a good majority of the player-base.

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London
Center for Advanced Studies
#42 - 2011-09-25 19:59:42 UTC
I will be playing both, but I'll get bored of the TOR themepark much like I did of WoW or any other generic MMO where nothing you do really matters.

EVE gives you a lot more, it takes these other MMOs for you to realize that sometimes.
London
Center for Advanced Studies
#43 - 2011-09-25 20:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: London
Zendoren wrote:


Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. SW:TOR is a Sandbox/story-line hybrid.


First of all, TOR is no sandbox.. not even close. It's straight up on the rails themepark. Also, your posting this in the wrong forum.

edit: If you really have to get into this silly game, then TOR is a much greater 'threat' to WoW. It's basically a carbon copy and should excite those kiddies with the newish stuff it offers.

They say that any successful MMO is good for the industry, it's not like there is a limited amount of players... it's still growing.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#44 - 2011-09-25 20:05:15 UTC
Why is it everytime a Star Wars or Star Trek MMO is released people assume its going to make or break Eve. The make or break time in Dec for CCP is the Winter Expansion not another ****** Star Wars game. I mean seriously are there still people who will gobble up anything thats released from that way over milked franchise? The Star Wars franchise should have died a decade ago.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#45 - 2011-09-25 20:06:11 UTC
London wrote:
Zendoren wrote:


Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. SW:TOR is a Sandbox/story-line hybrid.


First of all, TOR is no sandbox.. not even close. It's straight up on the rails themepark. Also, your posting this in the wrong forum.


Have you played the Bata?

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London
Center for Advanced Studies
#46 - 2011-09-25 20:08:05 UTC
Zendoren wrote:
London wrote:
Zendoren wrote:


Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. SW:TOR is a Sandbox/story-line hybrid.


First of all, TOR is no sandbox.. not even close. It's straight up on the rails themepark. Also, your posting this in the wrong forum.


Have you played the Bata?


There is countless information about the game out there, it's not like it's unknown what type of game it's going to be.
Come on.
Zane Kaiser
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2011-09-25 20:15:35 UTC
London wrote:
Zendoren wrote:
London wrote:
Zendoren wrote:


Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. SW:TOR is a Sandbox/story-line hybrid.


First of all, TOR is no sandbox.. not even close. It's straight up on the rails themepark. Also, your posting this in the wrong forum.


Have you played the Bata?


There is countless information about the game out there, it's not like it's unknown what type of game it's going to be.
Come on.



I'm sorry but you're wrong. I'm in no ways a TOR fanboy, but I've played the beta and at lvl 50 the game becomes a sandbox/themepark hybrid.
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#48 - 2011-09-25 20:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Zendoren
London wrote:
Zendoren wrote:
London wrote:
Zendoren wrote:


Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. SW:TOR is a Sandbox/story-line hybrid.


First of all, TOR is no sandbox.. not even close. It's straight up on the rails themepark. Also, your posting this in the wrong forum.


Have you played the Bata?


There is countless information about the game out there, it's not like it's unknown what type of game it's going to be.
Come on.



I was like you. I would not have posted this unless i felt that my hobby (EVE Online) might be in for some rocky few months after Dec because of SW:TOR.

Granted, there is a good chunk of CCP fanbois out there and my argument is not that SW:TOR will "KILL" EVE. what I'm saying is that the days of the easy money from the average player who High Sec mission runs and plays the single player version of this game is over. This will affect all of us by limiting the amount of resources EVE will get between Dust and WoD even further.

Essentially my argument is this, CCP needs to reconnect to its customers and start heeding the warnings from the CSM and :Deliver: current content iteration.

❒ Single ❒ Taken ✔ Playing EVE Online

CCP Guard > Where's the shoot button on this thing?

CCP Space Cadet > What's this "offline guns" button do?
burstup
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2011-09-25 20:21:00 UTC
Zendoren wrote:
Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.


Depends. I still think the Star Wars movies are boring and overrated. And since these are my feelings about the movies, I think I know very well what I am talking about. Regarding space combat in SWTOR: I asked a question about it, so yeah, I do not know.
Razin
The Scope
#50 - 2011-09-25 20:22:53 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Razin wrote:

Don't forget the 'walking inside you ship'. This feature alone will be a huge draw for this kind of player.



Apparently you can't fly with your group in the ship though...

Well, look at all the people expressing happiness over the single player CQ.
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#51 - 2011-09-25 20:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Zendoren
burstup wrote:
Zendoren wrote:
Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.


Depends. I still think the Star Wars movies are boring and overrated. And since these are my feelings about the movies, I think I know very well what I am talking about. Regarding space combat in SWTOR: I asked a question about it, so yeah, I do not know.


I'm sure you know what you like and not like (to each their own) i was refuting your comments about SW:TOR FiS aspect. Prob used a little too strong of language there.

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burstup
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-09-25 20:40:02 UTC
Zendoren wrote:

I'm sure you know what you like and not like (to each their own) i was refuting your comments about SW:TOR FiS aspect. Prob used a little too strong of language there.


No problem. And I must admit that I really did not know much about SW:TOR up until now. I am reading about it now. And I kinda liked the Episode V movie when i was a kid.
Solhild
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-09-25 20:41:27 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
I don't think SW TOR is a big threat to EVE. At most it might take away some players who played EVE not because it was a sandbox but because it is about space, and i honestly doubt there are many of those around.

It's like saying a new average Volkswagen will cause Porsche to lose a lot of their costumers. Both cars are made for different markets , one for the masses the other for a particular niche.



Porsche now owns Volkswagon - just saying.







There was me thinking Porsche messed up their financing and therefore their leverage when the crash hit. The controlling share ended up with the VW board and Porsche ended up another brand in the empire! - may have dreamt it but I think that's how it went.
Ghost Resonance
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-09-25 20:42:47 UTC
Zendoren wrote:
London wrote:
Zendoren wrote:
London wrote:
Zendoren wrote:


Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. SW:TOR is a Sandbox/story-line hybrid.


First of all, TOR is no sandbox.. not even close. It's straight up on the rails themepark. Also, your posting this in the wrong forum.


Have you played the Bata?


There is countless information about the game out there, it's not like it's unknown what type of game it's going to be.
Come on.



I was like you. I would not have posted this unless i felt that my hobby (EVE Online) might be in for some rocky few months after Dec because of SW:TOR.

Granted, there is a good chunk of CCP fanbois out there and my argument is not that SW:TOR will "KILL" EVE. what I'm saying is that the days of the easy money from the average player who High Sec mission runs and plays the single player version of this game is over. This will affect all of us by limiting the amount of resources EVE will get between Dust and WoD even further.

Essentially my argument is this, CCP needs to reconnect to its customers and start heeding the warnings from the CSM and :Deliver: current content iteration.


Nailed it. EVE has less than 3 months to provide a content-rich, proper expansion with things for the average player to do. Come winter EVE will face pressure not only from TOR, but WoW (patch 4.3 - Deathwing), Battlefield, Skyrim and countless other competitors. This will be a competitive time for any production house and any misstep could have rather drastic consequenses.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#55 - 2011-09-25 20:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Hirana Yoshida
I take it you have studied the material Bioware has released so far to make that ridiculous claim?

ToR appears to be nothing more than WoW in the SW universe with significantly overproduced "gameplay". They didn't even consider PvP as anything other than a side thing until in the 11th hour for Goddess sake, then they hired a more or less complete Dev team from a successful PvP (dead now though Smile) game to do it for them (PvP is by which ToR will live or die in the market).

Classes and sub-classes between the two sides are nearly identical except for a bit of flavouring,
Generic 3rd person ground based game,
Attack animations (we moan about ECM locking you out of the action, wait until that crap hits the news),
Theme-park,
Friggin tweens! (think Eve is immature at times?, think WoW morons who probably hasn't seen or read SW other than the new fail trilogy/comics).

I did read get my hopes up when I heard they hired the Warhammer team to code their pew but it seems like it is going to be a bunch of battleground affairs, nothing more .. been there, done that.

In short: Your claim is about as apt as a direct comparison between 2001: A Space Odyssey and Independence Day.
London
Center for Advanced Studies
#56 - 2011-09-25 20:50:21 UTC
Ghost Resonance wrote:


Nailed it. EVE has less than 3 months to provide a content-rich, proper expansion with things for the average player to do. Come winter EVE will face pressure not only from TOR, but WoW (patch 4.3 - Deathwing), Battlefield, Skyrim and countless other competitors. This will be a competitive time for any production house and any misstep could have rather drastic consequenses.


Your acting like there's a fragile amount of potential players to distribute between said games, lol.
There's enough to go around, and people tend to play multiple games at once... just because your playing Battlefield or Skyrim doesn't mean you've unsubbed and stopped training your EVE account for example. Roll
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2011-09-25 20:52:34 UTC
Just because Mazda and Ferrari both release red cars doesn't mean they compete with eachother.

In the same way, any other space MMO doesn't necessarily have to compete with Eve - since the spacetheme is really only a footnote of what Eve is.
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#58 - 2011-09-25 21:00:14 UTC
London wrote:
Ghost Resonance wrote:


Nailed it. EVE has less than 3 months to provide a content-rich, proper expansion with things for the average player to do. Come winter EVE will face pressure not only from TOR, but WoW (patch 4.3 - Deathwing), Battlefield, Skyrim and countless other competitors. This will be a competitive time for any production house and any misstep could have rather drastic consequenses.


Your acting like there's a fragile amount of potential players to distribute between said games, lol.
There's enough to go around, and people tend to play multiple games at once... just because your playing Battlefield or Skyrim doesn't mean you've unsubbed and stopped training your EVE account for example. Roll


Apparntly the economic downturn has not affected you good sir. Lol

The average Joe wont or cant afford playing multiple sub type MMOs, IMHO

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CCP Guard > Where's the shoot button on this thing?

CCP Space Cadet > What's this "offline guns" button do?
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2011-09-25 21:02:24 UTC
Oh no, WOW in space is being released! Whatever will I do!?
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#60 - 2011-09-25 21:03:22 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
I take it you have studied the material Bioware has released so far to make that ridiculous claim?

ToR appears to be nothing more than WoW in the SW universe with significantly overproduced "gameplay". They didn't even consider PvP as anything other than a side thing until in the 11th hour for Goddess sake, then they hired a more or less complete Dev team from a successful PvP (dead now though Smile) game to do it for them (PvP is by which ToR will live or die in the market).

Classes and sub-classes between the two sides are nearly identical except for a bit of flavouring,
Generic 3rd person ground based game,
Attack animations (we moan about ECM locking you out of the action, wait until that crap hits the news),
Theme-park,
Friggin tweens! (think Eve is immature at times?, think WoW morons who probably hasn't seen or read SW other than the new fail trilogy/comics).

I did read get my hopes up when I heard they hired the Warhammer team to code their pew but it seems like it is going to be a bunch of battleground affairs, nothing more .. been there, done that.

In short: Your claim is about as apt as a direct comparison between 2001: A Space Odyssey and Independence Day.


All apt description of 1/2 the game.

Like I said earlier, this is not WoW w/ light sabers. IMHO Lucus Arts learned their lessons with SWG and incorporated both a liner story line flavor and a sandbox flavor inside the same game.

BTW, SW;ToR will have a player ran market just like EVE. What that means, who knows... ???

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CCP Guard > Where's the shoot button on this thing?

CCP Space Cadet > What's this "offline guns" button do?