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Dec 20, the make or break date for CCP
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Lord Helghast
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-09-25 16:44:01 UTC
LMFAO, ya i recall this thread from the startrek mmo release, and then from blackprophecy .... eve is eve its what it is lol
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#22 - 2011-09-25 17:22:17 UTC
I think the bigger issue here and as always is not competition, but distraction.

of course SWTOR is not EVE, nor is it supposed to be but face it, if people buy it and like it and play it they are not playing eve as much.

its folly to assume TOR is a replacement for anything, the reality is that it covers a broad scope of a demographic that includes niche games like eve.

the danger is if people have more fun playing WoW with lightsabers they may be more inclined to put their eve sub on hold until they burn out, or simply not play so much and only log in to add a skill to the queue.

people joke about winter coming, but winter could actually be pretty slow around these parts.

lets just hope all the botters and farmers flock there and leave eve alone

... yeah right...
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#23 - 2011-09-25 17:52:49 UTC
Morganta wrote:
I think the bigger issue here and as always is not competition, but distraction.

of course SWTOR is not EVE, nor is it supposed to be but face it, if people buy it and like it and play it they are not playing eve as much.

its folly to assume TOR is a replacement for anything, the reality is that it covers a broad scope of a demographic that includes niche games like eve.

the danger is if people have more fun playing WoW with lightsabers they may be more inclined to put their eve sub on hold until they burn out, or simply not play so much and only log in to add a skill to the queue.

people joke about winter coming, but winter could actually be pretty slow around these parts.

lets just hope all the botters and farmers flock there and leave eve alone

... yeah right...


This is more to my point which i was trying to point out.

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Razin
The Scope
#24 - 2011-09-25 18:27:39 UTC
Riggs Droput wrote:
Two completely different games, SW:TOR will not pull your average eve player away from the game.

Also from what I have played in TOR it is a single player game with multiplayer elements. Unless they overhaul the whole game between now and then its not going to be the massive behemoth that people think it will be. It defiantly will not knock WOW off of its throne.

Riggs

The average EVE player is a mission whoring carebear playing a single-player game with almost no connection to the sandbox. To these players the only attraction seems to be the sci-fi nature of the genre.
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-09-25 18:46:00 UTC
I think that with the huge fan base that Star Wars have, all other online games will notice a drop of players initially.
Then it's gonna be the "make or break" for SWTOR, though they will probably make a profit either way.

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Prince Kobol
#26 - 2011-09-25 18:46:54 UTC
I've played the Beta of SWTOR.

Its WoW but with lightsabers and Real Voice Artists and thats it.

The graphics are sucky, you have your usual DPS/Tank/Healer/Glass Canon characters, you usuall go and kill x of these guys, go and collect x of these items.

The only MMO's who will lose players are those who follow the WoW model.
Aisha Kropotkin
Brutor Tribe
#27 - 2011-09-25 18:47:53 UTC
As a mission whoring carebear player I think even though my participation in the more sandboxy parts of the game is minimal, the fact that it is there, that the pool has a deep end keeps me going back. Eve has that deep end of the pool that any other game lacks.

oh and call me farmer or fisherman, not carebear, *****.
Ghost Resonance
Doomheim
#28 - 2011-09-25 18:49:24 UTC
Razin wrote:
Riggs Droput wrote:
Two completely different games, SW:TOR will not pull your average eve player away from the game.

Also from what I have played in TOR it is a single player game with multiplayer elements. Unless they overhaul the whole game between now and then its not going to be the massive behemoth that people think it will be. It defiantly will not knock WOW off of its throne.

Riggs

The average EVE player is a mission whoring carebear playing a single-player game with almost no connection to the sandbox. To these players the only attraction seems to be the sci-fi nature of the genre.



This nails it. 70+ % of EVE's players reside in HiSec. Do they really care about the sandbox?

Look where the players who left EVE went. WoT for the most part, then when that wore thin, "back" to WoW and alternatives like Rift, Starcraft 2, etc. TOR will definitely drag away a portion of EVEs playerbase, as it will with other sandbox and themepark games. Including WoW. Its going to be the new shiny and people will play it. Whether they retain those who leave is a seperate question entirely.

The sandbox is not as big a deal as some are deluded to believe.
Baron Harkonnen
House Harkonnen
#29 - 2011-09-25 18:57:56 UTC
I don't see Dec 20th as make or break for CCP. As far as I am concerned CCP have already broken Eve. The winter expansion needs to be something special if CCP are to start to fix everything that has gone wrong. TOR just means it will be even harder for CCP to get new subscribers and retain many of the current player base who are sick and tired of the lack lustre development Eve has seen for many years. They may be very different games but TOR has more going for it than Eve in its current state IMHO.

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#30 - 2011-09-25 19:08:33 UTC
Dude those are two diffrent games. EVE is in space, SW:TOR isn't, you fly somekind of ship but thats nothing.

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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#31 - 2011-09-25 19:14:12 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Dude those are two diffrent games. EVE is in space, SW:TOR isn't, you fly somekind of ship but thats nothing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eab0Ys7znH4

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Ghost Resonance
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-09-25 19:17:47 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Dude those are two diffrent games. EVE is in space, SW:TOR isn't, you fly somekind of ship but thats nothing.


Yes, they are two different games. However I would suggest most EVE players are also in their core Star Wars fans. Given the choice to fly a Raven in the same L4 over and over again as opposed to playing a game in which you can have your companion Wookie and play through some novel content, I would think a fair amount of players may choose the latter. At least until they get bored doing the same quests and encounters over and over again.
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-09-25 19:21:36 UTC
Zendoren wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Dude those are two diffrent games. EVE is in space, SW:TOR isn't, you fly somekind of ship but thats nothing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eab0Ys7znH4


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Razin
The Scope
#34 - 2011-09-25 19:29:10 UTC
Ghost Resonance wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Dude those are two diffrent games. EVE is in space, SW:TOR isn't, you fly somekind of ship but thats nothing.


Yes, they are two different games. However I would suggest most EVE players are also in their core Star Wars fans. Given the choice to fly a Raven in the same L4 over and over again as opposed to playing a game in which you can have your companion Wookie and play through some novel content, I would think a fair amount of players may choose the latter. At least until they get bored doing the same quests and encounters over and over again.

Don't forget the 'walking inside you ship'. This feature alone will be a huge draw for this kind of player.
Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#35 - 2011-09-25 19:31:31 UTC
Most that play this game are dedicated fan(bois) and would not leave no matter what CCP does or what 'new' game comes out. I will try star wars but then I'll drop it in a heart beat soon as GW2 is live.
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-09-25 19:32:00 UTC
Who cares about SWTOR? I'm holding out for Guild Wars 2.
burstup
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-09-25 19:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: burstup
I was 12 years old when I saw Star Wars Episode IV for the first time. I was disapointed. I still think it's a corny fairy tale in space, not a good SciFi movie. Star Wars Galaxies was a decent MMORPG when it started, because it was a sandbox. It's a shame Sony+LucasArt destroyed it. Star Wars The Old Republic will not be a sandbox. I am not sure, but does it even have spaceship combat? From what I saw it will feature Jedi who can't kill weak enemies without hitting them over and over - does not make sense in terms of Star Wars lore. I think SW:TOR can not damage EVE. But Microtransactions and P2W can.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#38 - 2011-09-25 19:41:39 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
I don't think SW TOR is a big threat to EVE. At most it might take away some players who played EVE not because it was a sandbox but because it is about space, and i honestly doubt there are many of those around.

It's like saying a new average Volkswagen will cause Porsche to lose a lot of their costumers. Both cars are made for different markets , one for the masses the other for a particular niche.



Porsche now owns Volkswagon - just saying.




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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#39 - 2011-09-25 19:43:31 UTC
Razin wrote:

Don't forget the 'walking inside you ship'. This feature alone will be a huge draw for this kind of player.



Apparently you can't fly with your group in the ship though...

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#40 - 2011-09-25 19:45:21 UTC
Ghost Resonance wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Dude those are two diffrent games. EVE is in space, SW:TOR isn't, you fly somekind of ship but thats nothing.


Yes, they are two different games. However I would suggest most EVE players are also in their core Star Wars fans. Given the choice to fly a Raven in the same L4 over and over again as opposed to playing a game in which you can have your companion Wookie and play through some novel content, I would think a fair amount of players may choose the latter. At least until they get bored doing the same quests and encounters over and over again.



If they're capable of flying a Raven through L4s for 6 months straight then they're probably able to last at least as long doing Star Wars repeatable missions. Roll

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