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What can be done... to an offline POS?
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JonnyRandom
#1 - 2012-08-11 02:07:44 UTC
I see a lot of POSes at moons that are anchored, but are not online (no shield bubble).

What can be done to these POSes? Are they abandoned? Can I steal them somehow? Or can I shoot them and destroy them? If they are offline, does it still take a very long time to destroy them?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#2 - 2012-08-11 02:09:30 UTC
You can wardec the corporation that owns it, then blow it up. You could also get recruited to that corp and then plot to steal it once you have the privileges to do so.

Blowing it up will take a couple of hours in a decently fitted battleship.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-11 04:51:46 UTC
What can't be done to an offline pos? Big smile

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JonnyRandom
#4 - 2012-08-11 04:53:49 UTC
But these kind of POSes.. they don't expire or anything like that? Like, if they sit there unused for a long time, they don't disappear or anything?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-08-11 04:58:07 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
But these kind of POSes.. they don't expire or anything like that? Like, if they sit there unused for a long time, they don't disappear or anything?


Nope, they just sit there and mock you

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-08-11 05:39:39 UTC
You can check if they still have fun-to-blow-up contents like corp hangars, silos, etc. I once found a nice 11 billion in officer mods out of a corp hangar from someone who forgot to fuel their supercapital staging POS.

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Zera Kerrigan
The 420th Token
#7 - 2012-08-11 11:04:37 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
What can't be done to an offline pos? Big smile


You dirty minded freak! Shocked
JonnyRandom
#8 - 2012-08-11 19:23:11 UTC
What about the fuel bay? Can anyone just come up to the POS and take anything in the fuel bay, since there is no shield active?
mkint
#9 - 2012-08-11 20:28:51 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
What about the fuel bay? Can anyone just come up to the POS and take anything in the fuel bay, since there is no shield active?

No. Not even all the members of the owning corp might have that ability. Its a corp role.

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-08-12 01:10:00 UTC
This is actually a well known problem in EvE. Abandoned POS's don't go away on their own and the owners simply don't care enough to put forth the effort in taking them down. Currently the only way to get rid of these derelict POS's is to get the owners to take them down or blow them up yourselves (the latter option being the most likely solution).

There's been a LOT of discussion about this in the Assembly Hall but so far nothing has been decided. Wormhole space is notorious for having entire systems littered with derelict POS's just laying around.

Your best bet for removing the POS is to get a couple of guys with a lot of free time and just shoot the thing until it explodes. If it's a highsec POS, you'll have to declare war first, then shoot it down. It WILL take a while because POS towers have a lot of hitpoints and some strong resistances (think 8+ hours of non stop shooting).

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JonnyRandom
#11 - 2012-08-12 01:35:34 UTC
I see, so, if I was to put up a POS in hi-sec, it would be relatively safe to offline it in times of non-use to save on fuel?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#12 - 2012-08-12 01:47:18 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
I see, so, if I was to put up a POS in hi-sec, it would be relatively safe to offline it in times of non-use to save on fuel?


Yup. Just don't go away from the game for too long, since there are corporations out there who will wardec you and blow up your POS just to pad their killboards.

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Rams Trouput
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-08-12 01:54:31 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
I see, so, if I was to put up a POS in hi-sec, it would be relatively safe to offline it in times of non-use to save on fuel?

Thats neet to know. Just bring a gallon of gas to cut the lights on and open up the locks so u can dig around in the filing cabinets.

That sounds like a good way to stock pile fuel. Crank it up enough to store fuel(dose it have to be active?). Can you get at the stuff in ur POS if its off line?
mkint
#14 - 2012-08-12 01:56:11 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
I see, so, if I was to put up a POS in hi-sec, it would be relatively safe to offline it in times of non-use to save on fuel?

I run my pos on a 1 man alt corp. I offline it when I don't have a job running and unanchor it if I'm not planning on logging in the alt for a while.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#15 - 2012-08-12 02:26:50 UTC
Rams Trouput wrote:
That sounds like a good way to stock pile fuel. Crank it up enough to store fuel(dose it have to be active?). Can you get at the stuff in ur POS if its off line?


You have to be able to, since you can't stick fuel in the POS until it's anchored, and you can't online it until it has fuel :)

All access privileges apply at all times, so fuel technicians can add or remove fuel as required. Just be aware that one large tower can run enough research labs to keep a dozen characters busy with ME/PE research, copying and invention. Any fewer users than that, you're wasting fuel.

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JonnyRandom
#16 - 2012-08-12 05:51:27 UTC
Hm, what about modules like labs and assembly arrays? If the POS itself is offline, then I know they will also become offline, but can people steal them? Or the only way they can be stolen is if they are unanchored and just left in space?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#17 - 2012-08-12 07:32:39 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
Hm, what about modules like labs and assembly arrays? If the POS itself is offline, then I know they will also become offline, but can people steal them? Or the only way they can be stolen is if they are unanchored and just left in space?

The only way to steal those is by blowing up the POS tower itself, which unanchors them. You can't do anything to them other than blow them up with the tower anchored (even if it's offline).

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JonnyRandom
#18 - 2012-08-12 16:50:00 UTC
Ah... I see... ok. Hi-sec POS is a lot more safer than I was expecting, I guess.
Thanks for the answers everyone! Cheers!
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-08-13 09:16:11 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
Hm, what about modules like labs and assembly arrays? If the POS itself is offline, then I know they will also become offline, but can people steal them? Or the only way they can be stolen is if they are unanchored and just left in space?
If you get past the war-dec part (for high-sec POS), what you can do with the POS mods depends on the mods.
If the tower is off (no force-field), you can skip the tower and shoot the hangars (corporate hangar and ship maintenance), they'll drop some of their content once blown depending on what's left inside but nothing if you scoop them.
You will need a hauler as some stuff can be quite chunky. That's the most juicy part usually, aka the pinata. But most abandonned offline towers will likely be void of anything but the stick, it's the most painful thing to blow, gives nothing but a killmail (nothing to loot from it) and many just leave them there instead of spending hours of numb shooting (in high-sec without capital fleets).
For the other industry mods, it's a decision to make but you will need to blow the stick if you want to scoop them for selling, otherwise you can blow them without bothering with the POS and maybe get blueprints as a loot (we've had labs dropping the blueprints when repackaged, dunno if it was a bug though).
Guns, EWAR, etc, if they're incapacitated you can't repair them to scoop them, only option then is to blow them up, so if the tower was offline already, blow the stick and scoop what's healthy, or just blow it all up.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#20 - 2012-08-13 19:28:44 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
JonnyRandom wrote:
Hm, what about modules like labs and assembly arrays? If the POS itself is offline, then I know they will also become offline, but can people steal them? Or the only way they can be stolen is if they are unanchored and just left in space?

The only way to steal those is by blowing up the POS tower itself, which unanchors them. You can't do anything to them other than blow them up with the tower anchored (even if it's offline).



A few things to add:

1.) Even offline a POS control tower has ridiculous amounts of EHP.... (2-10million).
2.) Petrus mentioned that you can unanchor and scoop modules like corp hangars, assembly arrays, and mobile labs once the POS Control tower is destroyed. However, unanchoring the item will destroy all items inside the structure. On the other hand, these modules have very little EHP (10k), and if they have stuff inside, there is a 50% chance that stuff will drop when you blow it up!!! I blew up a corp hangar this weekend that dropped 500m in t2 heavy missiles, and a silo with 200m in moongoo....
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