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Chris Slayter

Perdition

Likes received: 66

#1 - 2012-08-10 14:11:28 UTC

So as stated in the title, my goal was to squeeze the best out of a solo mack regarding yield and tank. After EFT/Pyfa-warrioring a lot I came up with the following loadout:

[Mackinaw, Tank/Yield]

Internal Force Field Array I
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Requires a 3% CPU imp and ALL5, 35.7k EHP.

Since I am currently using a Retriever, I would like to get some feedback on this before I get myself a Mack :)

Cheers, Chris

p.s. Apologies in advance if there already is a post with a similar loadout, but I did not find any.

Digg Kula

DK Laboratory

Likes received: 1

#2 - 2012-08-10 14:30:09 UTC

If cost is no factor. I think this fits. I have got the updated EFT to play with it yet.

Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade

Caldari Navy EM Ward
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith-A Small Shield Booster

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II
Medium Core Capacitor Circuit II

vyshnegradsky

The Legion of Spoon

Curatores Veritatis Alliance

Likes received: 208

#3 - 2012-08-10 16:10:07 UTC | Edited by: vyshnegradsky

Quote:

Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade

Caldari Navy EM Ward
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith-A Small Shield Booster

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II
Medium Core Capacitor Circuit II

Why the shield booster? Its getting alpha'd that you have to worry about, not sustained attack. It would be better trying to extend your shield/ resistances as much as possible instead

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.

CCP Falcon

Jorma Morkkis

State War Academy

Caldari State

Likes received: 455

#4 - 2012-08-10 16:34:17 UTC

Digg Kula wrote:

That will get alpha'd and your shield booster doesn't help at all.

Zicon Shak'ra

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 50

#5 - 2012-08-10 17:00:43 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Digg Kula wrote:

That will get alpha'd and your shield booster doesn't help at all.

To be fair, it's not as though the fit he originally posted is fitting a true buffer. No extenders, except for a rig. And since rigs boost shield HP on a percent basis, not having extender modules means the rig won't do ****.

Wormholes are cool, m'kay?

Chris Slayter

Perdition

Likes received: 66

#6 - 2012-08-10 17:18:33 UTC

Zicon Shak'ra wrote:

Well it's kinda hard to fit extenders PG-wise since the Mack doesn't have that much. It's the best I could come up with, feel free to post a better fit that doesn't sacrifice all lowslots for tank.
My goal was to fit a decent tank while not sacrificing too much yield. Skiff would perform much better tank-wise anyway.
I was trying to get the best out of the Mack to scare potential suicide gankers off while still enjoying the benefits of the huge cargo since I'm not using multiple accounts to haul.

Cheers, Chris

p.s. I kinda agree on the booster-loadout being subpar for surviving a gank, that plus the super-pricey modules :)

Jorma Morkkis

State War Academy

Caldari State

Likes received: 455

#7 - 2012-08-10 17:41:12 UTC | Edited by: Jorma Morkkis

Chris Slayter wrote:

Well it's kinda hard to fit extenders PG-wise since the Mack doesn't have that much. It's the best I could come up with, feel free to post a better fit that doesn't sacrifice all lowslots for tank.

Medium F-S9 Regolith fits quite nicely. Put 3 invuls (2x T2 and named) into mids and damage control into lows. Yes, you will need to use PG rig (and implant depending on your skills).

AKA "brick Hulk tank" on Mack now too. Big smile

Veryez

Hidden Agenda

Deep Space Engineering

Likes received: 49

#8 - 2012-08-10 18:01:14 UTC

Yeah, the Mack and the Hulk have such poor CPU, that fitting the processor Overclocking unit is practically manditory, but you can get away w/the t1 version. Was talking to some of our miners last night, was looking at this fit:

2x MSM II's

2x Limited Adaptive Invul field I's
1x Upgraded EM Ward Amp I
1x Dactyl Type E Asteroid Analyzer

2x Mining Laser Upgrade II
1x Internal Force Field Array I

1x Medium Processor Overclock I
1x Medium CDFE I

30.2 K EHP, not too expensive and good yield. Passive shield recharge takes care of empire rats, can swap out the survey mod w/a t2 small shield booster if desired.

Chris Slayter

Perdition

Likes received: 66

#9 - 2012-08-10 18:02:53 UTC | Edited by: Chris Slayter

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Tried to apply your suggested changes but ended up with a pretty similar result concerning EHP as my loadout while having a lot more trouble with PG/CPU:

[Mackinaw, Tank/Yield v2]

Internal Force Field Array I
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II

ALL5, Requires 6%PG and 5%CPU through imps: 35.8k EHP

Also, its EM and Therm resistances are quite a bit lower. Might reduce the CPU a bit by using meta MLUs but still...
My previous loadout: 35.7k EHP with higher resistances and only requires a 3% CPU Imp to work.

Jorma Morkkis

State War Academy

Caldari State

Likes received: 455

#10 - 2012-08-10 18:14:15 UTC

Chris Slayter wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

[Mackinaw, 39,2k EHP]

Internal Force Field Array I
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Reactor Control Unit II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

40k EHP against Void. No implants needed.


Chris Slayter Perdition Likes received: 66	#11 - 2012-08-10 18:22:32 UTC Jorma Morkkis wrote: [Mackinaw, 39,2k EHP] [...] Well, this does work. But you dropped a MLU :)

Michael Harari

Genos Occidere

HYDRA RELOADED

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#12 - 2012-08-10 18:22:42 UTC

Digg Kula wrote:

Please fly this, it certainly wont get ganked by multiple tornados.

Jorma Morkkis

State War Academy

Caldari State

Likes received: 455

#13 - 2012-08-10 18:30:41 UTC | Edited by: Jorma Morkkis

Chris Slayter wrote:

Well, this does work. But you dropped a MLU :)

Just a minor drawback. It's designed so we can't get both yield and tank.

This too:

[Mackinaw, frigging tank]

Internal Force Field Array I
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Reactor Control Unit II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-605

43,2k EHP. 44,1k against Void. Yes, EM resist is still quite low, but even against Scorch it has 38,3k EHP.

Chris Slayter

Perdition

Likes received: 66

#14 - 2012-08-10 18:38:54 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Chris Slayter wrote:

Well, this does work. But you dropped a MLU :)

I like this fit the most, thanks! It's got enough bonus EHP compared to my previous fit to justify dropping that MLU, the only thing I will change is to get T2 rigs on it.

Cheers, Chris

Aurelius Valentius

Valentius Corporation

Valentius Corporation Alliance

Likes received: 448

#15 - 2012-08-10 19:05:37 UTC

I am playing with this atm

2x CPU rigs + 1 PG implant

2x Mining IIs
1x Small booster - Rat tanking as I use Hob IIs and Miner IIs and sometimes I just get aggro and let the miners keep going un interrupted... meh.
1 x Invul
2x Cap IIs - makes it cap stable
2x MLU IIs
1x DCU II

This is just kind of a throw it together fit from what I had in the hangar atm... prob tonight work on a better fit, but also haven't updated EFT yet.

I was wondering what this might do:

2x Miner IIs
1x EM Hard II
1x Therm Hard II
2x Invul II
2x Bulkhead IIs
1x DCU II

Can anyone tell me how that works out in EFT tank wise, would love to see the stats on that for an anti-gank tank. toss in whatever rigs will work best to fit or tank it more.

Herping yourDerp

Tribal Liberation Force

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 913

#16 - 2012-08-10 19:17:40 UTC

Digg Kula wrote:

tell me where you are so i can gank you for the billion isk worth of mining laser upgrades

Chris Slayter

Perdition

Likes received: 66

#17 - 2012-08-10 19:28:56 UTC

Aurelius Valentius wrote:

Can anyone tell me how that works out in EFT tank wise, would love to see the stats on that for an anti-gank tank. toss in whatever rigs will work best to fit or tank it more.

[Mackinaw]

Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

All5 + 6% CPU Imp, 43k EHP

Looks good tank-wise, but for pure anti-gank I would rather pick a Skiff if you can handle the loss of cargo.

Aurelius Valentius

Valentius Corporation

Valentius Corporation Alliance

Likes received: 448

#18 - 2012-08-10 20:46:22 UTC

Chris Slayter wrote:

Aurelius Valentius wrote:

Can anyone tell me how that works out in EFT tank wise, would love to see the stats on that for an anti-gank tank. toss in whatever rigs will work best to fit or tank it more.

Tanks (hehe) will have to play with that at home in a bit - want to pick up 2x Bulkhead IIs and then the EM and Therm Hardeners for testing, prob not go quite to that extend, but def looks interesting.

ashley Eoner

Likes received: 504

#19 - 2012-08-10 21:37:06 UTC

Veryez wrote:

BAsically went with the same tank

2x modulated strip miner II

2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II
Em Ward Amplifier II

2x MLU II
DCU II

Medium Processor Overclocking unit I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Veryez

Hidden Agenda

Deep Space Engineering

Likes received: 49

#20 - 2012-08-10 21:51:12 UTC | Edited by: Veryez

ashley Eoner wrote:

You need a 5% CPU implant to fit this, but yes seems a good balance.

If you upgrade to A Medium Processor Overclock II, you can fit:

2x MSM II's

2xAdaptive Invul II's
1x Survey Scanner II
1x Upgraded EM Ward I

2x MLU II's
1x DC II

1x MPOC II
1x MCDFE I A t2 will fit, just seems to be throwing isk away though)

for 33k EHP, so you gain almost 3k EHP for 50 mil, your choice, still cheaper than that implant.

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