Warfare & Tactics

If you are getting 1 battle every 2-3 hours then you are roaming in a location that's not pvp orientated or populated enough. If you live in the more well travelled routes and systems you can get fights in minutes if that's what you are after.

I meant neither.

Zoe I realize I can engage a battlecruiser in a frigate and get a fight that way within minutes. But I mean a fight of decent quality not just suicide.

Where are you that you are getting decent pvp fights in minutes?

Other than rvb I have never heard anyone even make such a claim.

There is plenty small gang PvP going on all the time.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Agony+Unleashed

That's the battlclinic info on one group. Take a good look at it.

Go back a few PAGES of kills. You'll find like 3 entries with 11-14 on page 2 and going back to around page 7, you'll find that they jumped into fights with larger groups and what not.

That group specializes in small gang PvP but the cool part - they'll TEACH you how to do it successfully. They run classes on the topic.

So if you're finding it difficult - check out Agony's class schedule and learn how to find such small-gang fights.

IMO that'd beat the hell out of being ticked off that you can't find it successfully. Take a class and learn how from folks that I do see as experts on the topic as well as training how its done.

I am really old to this game, but for the most part very new to PvP. I try, I get some kills here and there. I am okay in a fleet (small sized seems to be what I like)

I agree with a lot of what all of you have said, and some not so much. I'll tell you though, I am a true lover of military tactics. I am sure what I am going to say has been said elsewhere, but if they want to make PvP really exciting in eve. Make planets orbital. make the systems dynamic. Make a fleet be able to use a plants gravity well to hide itself. Make ships be able to power down and hide in astroid belts. Every sneaky trick from Capt. Kirk to Adm. Adama. Then it will be truly realistic. Its just a thought, but it would be cool.

We run 6 man nano gangs with an FC, the FC gives orders, the rest follow them BUT each pilot must do what they can individually to apply damage and not get ******. PVP is clearly dead.

Thanks for all your advice. If I wanted to get eve pvp advice from someone who doesn’t know about eve pvp I would have asked my wife.

I’m not looking for an arena or a lobby to fight in. So again thanks for your advice but it doesn’t apply.

But while you are being so generous with your wisdom let me ask you a question:
Why is it that people who don’t know anything about pvp in eve, feel the need to slobber all over threads regarding pvp?

And it cost them 28 millions dead. Proof that RL =/= EVE.

First, I'm pretty sure it's "Yogi Bear."

Second, wouldn't that be "CCP?"

Third, I'm pretty sure it's "PvP."

Fourth, it's "MMORPG."


And fifth, there is plenty of PvP. You just need to know where to look.

Quit crying about your exploits of getting blobbed by large numbers. Because numbers don't always win the fight. Tactics when dealing with numbers and superior firepower are what win the fight.

And to be perfectly honest, a Fleet Commander having the common sense to have a backup force or quick reaction force in place is wise thinking on a logistical and tactical standpoint. Warfare (both real and simulated) is commonly based on deception (creating the illusion of a lesser combat capable force only to spring an elaborate trap). It's basic warfare principles dating back to Sun Tzu when he wrote "The Art of War." But as with anything, if it looks like a trap and it feels like a trap, chances are, it's a trap.

It's good to hear you're not looking at arena/lobby style games - eve really doesn't fit that and you'd probably get a good snicker at how many join this game with the idea that they should be able to "solo" from day 1 against even skilled opponents - It's about as many that feel they should be able to run with complete safety in highsec at all times. Not "massive" numbers but enough to be annoying at times with their gripes.

Easy enough on your question about non-PvP folks - for the same reason that PvP folks tend to be so fast to jump in on topics they don't know about but feel they should express opinions on.

2 years in EVE University - I know folks across every type of space in this game and doing every activity from Jita scamming through CEO's in wormholes, around to FC's in nullsec. When I don't have the answers myself - I generally can direct folks to experts on any given topic so I point people to those experts instead of trying to provide the details myself - as I did with you.

I'm far from an expert on "small gang" PvP in lowsec and nullsec. I've played with it but it's ... "not my cup of tea" so I point you at those who are and who teach about it: Agony.

Seriously - if you are having problems fighting or finding fights with small gangs in EVE... Check out those I recommended to you. They will teach you not only how to fight, which you may already have down, but where to hunt and HOW to hunt successfully. They've a solid rep as a teaching group but do charge ISK for their classes. I haven't heard many complaints about what's taught over the 2 years I've been play.

With all sincerity, good luck with it - that's a tough area to learn about and master but, from those who can pull it of - It tends to sound like a lot of fun for them.

Of course some people like larger fleets and blob "tactics." But if eve just turned fw,or some other mechanic,into something that created lots of small scale pvp - because forces had to be spread out to accomplish goals - people could still have large fleets and bait and blob ganks.

For those who say there is "penty" of small gang pvp, I want to know how much. How many good fights per hour? And I'm not talking about ganking people as they come through a gate. In my experience your going to get about 1 qualtiy fight per 1.5 hours. Sure sometimes you will have 2 or 3 fights in a half hour. But that is going to be extremely rare. Your going to have maybe 10 stretches where you go 2 hours with no fight in between. (thats not say no kills in that time but no real quality fights)

For some, a quality pvp fight every 1.5 hours may be "plenty." I think its really weak.

Oh and please enough with the claims eve bait and blob "tactics" aree real world combat tactics.